Tesla Roadster 2020 vs Supercars - Will it Win on ALL Performance Metrics?

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Tesla Roadster 2020 vs Supercars - Will it Win on ALL Performance Metrics?
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  • - Elon Musk recently Tweeted that the purpose
  • of the new Next-Gen Tesla Roadster was
  • "to beat gas sports cars
  • on every performance metric by far, no exceptions,
  • thus transferring the "halo crown" effect gas cars have
  • as the top speed leaders over to pure electric."
  • Well, being who I am, I had to look into the data
  • behind this and so that's what we're gonna do today.
  • (upbeat music)
  • Before we get into the details here,
  • I thought it made sense to take a look
  • at some of the different performance categories
  • that we typically measure cars by
  • so that we understand the meaning behind them
  • and kind of how they're calculated.
  • Now the first thing to know is that all of these numbers
  • that we talk about in terms of power are the peak numbers.
  • It's actually a point in time where this number is
  • at its highest not the overall, not the average,
  • not any of the more advanced ways we typically
  • would measure something, but peak number.
  • And this is kind of standard how the automotive industry
  • has been looking at these things forever.
  • Now some of these numbers can be manipulated.
  • Things like gear ratios, weight of the vehicle,
  • and a lot of other little factors in how the cars
  • are engineered can kind of inflate or deflate
  • some of these numbers but when it comes down to it,
  • the time trials, the zero to 60s, the zero to 100s,
  • the quarter mile time, that is
  • where the rubber meets the road quite literally.
  • So, we'll talk about the performance stuff
  • and then we'll talk about the actual results.
  • First up, we have torque.
  • Now, torque is force at a distance.
  • You add more distance, you get more torque.
  • So it's subject to manipulation.
  • Now there is a difference between engine torque
  • and wheel torque as well.
  • Sometimes you hear manufacturers quote the wheel torque
  • which is kind of a meaningless number
  • unless you know the horsepower or the RPM
  • at which that torque was measured.
  • And when we talk about torque we use the term pound-feet.
  • That is the unit of measure and that may seem odd
  • but what it literally means is that the torque,
  • which is technically a twisting force,
  • is measuring the amount of turning force applied
  • to move one pound a distance of one foot
  • around an axis at a radius of one foot.
  • So it seems confusing, but it's a really old term
  • and the idea was to measure how, kind of strong,
  • the twisting force is which then propels the car foreword
  • by turning the axle where the wheels are.
  • Now of course it's a much more complicated than that,
  • but I think it's not gonna matter once we get
  • into the actual results of how fast these cars really are.
  • So the next category we look at typically
  • when it comes to car's performance is horsepower.
  • Now horsepower is kind of what it sounds like.
  • It was originally coined by Thomas Savery in 1702
  • when he was referring to the amount
  • of work a horse can do as a method to measure power.
  • This combined with the torque of the car
  • and depending on things like the vehicle weight
  • and gear ratio, represent the overall power.
  • So if a car has 1,000 horsepower and 500 pound-feet
  • of torque it will be faster
  • than a car with 500 horsepower and 1,000 pound-feet
  • of torque assuming all the other factors remain the same.
  • Now Jason Fenske over at Engineering Explained has a ton
  • of videos breaking all these things down.
  • So I'll link to a play list that I use
  • to actually research this stuff and learn a lot about it.
  • And as well as some of the ways that he looks at things
  • and calculating a lot of these numbers.
  • Specifically for the Tesla Roadster
  • that we're looking at today.
  • Okay, so those are the two basic things we look
  • at when we're talking about the performance
  • of a vehicle: horsepower and torque.
  • Now the ways we really measure
  • that are top speed and time trials:
  • zero to 60 miles per hour, zero to 100 miles per hour,
  • and the quarter mile time.
  • There are some other ones
  • but those are the most popular ones that you'll find online.
  • So what I thought we would do is we would take a look
  • at all the top cars in those categories
  • and see how they stack up to the Tesla Next-Gen Roadster.
  • First we have the Tesla Roadster.
  • And this is the new version not the original one
  • which is actually the first car the company made.
  • Now this is an upcoming, all electric,
  • battery powered four-seater sports car made by Tesla.
  • The Tesla Roadster was unveiled in 2017
  • along with the semi truck as sort of a surprise announcement
  • in very dramatic Tesla Elon Musk fashion.
  • Pre-orders of the Next-Gen Roadster began
  • at that event in Fremont, California.
  • Now there's also a Founder's Series
  • which we're not gonna look at today
  • because we don't have the specs on it.
  • However, Elon and other reports have said
  • that it will actually beat all of the specs
  • that we're gonna look at today.
  • Now that one is $250,000 and they're
  • only making a thousand of them.
  • The next car on our list is the Bugatti Chiron.
  • The Bugatti Chiron is a mid-engined two-seater sports car
  • developed and manufactured in Molsheim, France
  • by Bugatti as the successor to the Veyron.
  • The Chiron was first shown at the Geneva Motor Show
  • on March 1st of 2016.
  • The car's based on the Bugatti Vision Gran Turismo
  • concept car.
  • Bugatti started making these in 2016 and they limited
  • up to 500 and then they began making them again in 2018
  • for the Chiron Sport.
  • This is a two-door coup with an eight liter,
  • quad turbo charged W16 engine,
  • seven speed dual clutch transmission,
  • and a curb weight of 4,400 pounds.
  • The next car on our list is the Porsche 918 Spyder.
  • The Porsche 918 Spyder is a mid-engined plug-in
  • hybrid sports car manufactured
  • by German automobile manufacturer Porche.
  • The Spyder is powered by a naturally aspirated
  • 4.6 liter V8 engine with an additional two electric motors
  • helping it reach some staggering performance numbers.
  • It also includes a 6.8 kilowatt hour
  • lithium-ion battery pack that delivers
  • an all electric range of 12 miles or about 19 kilometers.
  • Porsche started selling this in 2013 and ended it in 2015,
  • making exactly 918 units.
  • It is a two-door roadster and also
  • has a seven speed dual clutch transmission.
  • And the last car in our showdown here
  • is the Dodge Challenger SRT Demon.
  • This is the more powerful wide bodied version
  • of the Challenger.
  • It debuted in the New York Auto Show in April of 2017.
  • The Demon uses an all new 6.2 liter V8 engine equipped
  • with 2.7 liter supercharger which puts out
  • some insane numbers that we'll take a look
  • at here in a minute.
  • Now this is the cheapest car which makes it
  • really difficult to choose which one of these cars
  • will be your next one.
  • So for the first category let's take a look at horsepower.
  • Coming in with an insane amount is the new Tesla Roadster
  • at 1400 horsepower.
  • Now the Bugatti Chiron comes in with an impressive 1500.
  • The Porsche 918 Spyder with 887.
  • And the Dodge Demon with 840.
  • But remember horsepower isn't the only thing
  • that leads to quick and fast vehicles.
  • So here we have the Bugatti Chiron with the winner
  • of this one category.
  • Next we have torque.
  • Now this is one where these two numbers combined
  • really tell the story of how fast this car is gonna be
  • and how well it's gonna perform.
  • You have the Tesla Roadster which has
  • an estimated 7,000 pound-feet of torque,
  • which is an absolutely ridiculous number.
  • Because we don't have the true details behind this,
  • Tesla only lists 10,000 in Newton-meters of torque
  • which is the wheel torque.
  • So using some other assumed values,
  • Jason over at Engineering Explained calculated
  • that the engine torque would be 7,000 pound-feet.
  • Of course, we'll have to see.
  • Now, the Bugatti Chiron has 1,180.
  • Again a crazy number.
  • The Porsche 918 Spyder 944.
  • And the Dodge Demon 770.
  • So the winner in this category
  • is the Tesla Roadster hands down.
  • Now when it comes to an actual time trial,
  • a zero to 60 is a popular measure.
  • So the Tesla Roadster lists it at 1.9 seconds
  • which is questionable whether
  • or not they can actually do it.
  • Now I've personally ridden in it and we've done this
  • but it's hard to say how consistent that would be.
  • Now the other cars here, the Bugatti Chiron comes
  • in at 2.3.
  • The Porsche 918 Spyder at 2.2 and is the current quickest
  • to zero to 60 in the world of any production car.
  • And then the Dodge Demon comes
  • in at a extremely close 2.3 seconds.
  • So the Tesla Roadster does win out but
  • until we actually see it in real life,
  • it's a question of exactly how quick it's gonna be
  • and again, they've also stated
  • that the Founder Series version will beat these numbers.
  • So we'll see what those look like down the road.
  • The next test I want to look at is the zero to 100 test.
  • And this one I think is important
  • because once you hit 60 some cars may kind of top out
  • and they loose a lot of their power
  • and start to slow down.
  • Well, here at 100 miles per hour,
  • this is where things get a little bit more interesting.
  • Now the Tesla Roadster reports at 4.2 seconds.
  • The Chiron at 4.8.
  • The Porsche 918 Spyder at an abysmal 6 seconds.
  • And the Dodge Demon at a 5.1.
  • So, really kind of spread here from 4.2 to 6.
  • That's a big amount when you're talking
  • about fractions of a second.
  • But again the Tesla Roadster wins out.
  • Now let's take a look at the quarter mile.
  • The typical drag race that you might see
  • out in the wild somewhere.
  • The Tesla Roadster reports 8.8 seconds which is crazy fast.
  • The Bugatti Chirion is at a 9.4
  • which is abysmally slow compared to 8.8
  • cause remember we're talking fractions of a second here.
  • Next you have the Porsche 918 Spyder at 9.8.
  • And the Dodge Demon at a staggering 9.65.
  • And I'll explain why that is in a second.
  • So the Tesla Roadster wins out here by a healthy margin.
  • So far what we've been talking about is how quick a car is.
  • How quickly can it get to 60 miles per hour?
  • How quickly can it get to a quarter mile of distance?
  • How quickly can it get to 100 miles per hour?
  • When you hear people talk about how fast a car is,
  • this is the thing that they're generally talking
  • about is the speed.
  • Now Tesla hasn't officially stated
  • what the top speed will be.
  • Only that it will above 250 miles per hour
  • which many of us will never go.
  • Then we have the Bugatti Chiron
  • which is the current world record holder
  • at 261 miles per hour.
  • The Porsche 918 Spyder at 211.
  • And the Dodge Demon at a paltry 168 miles per hour.
  • Again faster than many of us will ever travel in a vehicle.
  • So, in this one I'm giving it to the Bugatti Chiron
  • until we hear exactly how fast
  • the Tesla Roadster is gonna go.
  • Now technically this isn't a performance metric
  • but I thought it was important to talk
  • about the price because there is such a disparity
  • between the vehicles we're looking at here.
  • First you have the Tesla Roadster
  • which comes in at a cool $200,000.
  • This is the basic model not the Founder Series
  • which is $250,000.
  • But compared to the Bugatti Chiron
  • at three million dollars, it is a steal.
  • Similarly the Porsche 918 Spyder is at 1.7 million dollars.
  • So the Tesla Roadster is still doing and looking great
  • from a price standpoint.
  • And remember the Bugatti Chiron and the Porsche 918 Spyder
  • are no longer in production so the value of these cars is
  • only going to continue to rise as collector's items.
  • Now the Dodge Demon is a really interesting one
  • because the retail price is around $86,000
  • before taxes and everything.
  • But dealers upcharge and people are reselling them
  • and they're not generally available.
  • I actually went and tried to see on the Dodge website
  • if I could go order one and it wasn't really possible.
  • So it appears that the average price,
  • and I'm kind of low-balling this here,
  • is $100,000 for this vehicle.
  • It could be well over that if you're looking to buy one
  • with maybe some additional specs or anything like that.
  • But in our category here, this is
  • by far the winner at $100,000.
  • So I wanted to try to level the playing field here right?
  • There's a big difference between you know
  • a three million dollar super car and a $100,000 Dodge Demon.
  • However, the specs in terms
  • of performance are quite similar.
  • So what I did is I took the amount of the car,
  • the price of the car in thousands
  • and then divided its zero to sixty time
  • meaning how many thousands of dollars will you be paying
  • per second zero to 60.
  • So in this case the lower the number, the better.
  • That means you're essentially getting a faster result
  • for a cheaper price.
  • So the Tesla Roadster at $200,000 and a 1.9 zero to 60 time
  • comes in at 105.
  • The Bugatti Chiron is an extreme example
  • of 1,304 because the car is three million dollars divided
  • by 2.3 seconds in zero to 60.
  • Similarly the Porsche 918 Spyder is a really big number
  • at 773 because the price is so high
  • even though it is the world record holder currently
  • in the zero to 60 time trial.
  • Now lastly we have the Dodge Demon and this one,
  • because it is at 2.3 seconds which is really close to 1.9
  • with the Roadster but it's half the price,
  • you can see that the thousands per second,
  • the thousands of dollars per second that you'll spend
  • on the zero to 60 is the lowest and it is our winner.
  • And I think this is interesting and I wanted
  • to throw this out there
  • because this is the nature of the channel.
  • This is the nature of what we do.
  • We look at data and we see the story it's telling us.
  • I went in to this assuming that the Tesla Roadster was
  • just going to win hands down no matter
  • which category you put it up against.
  • But when you look data and you normalize things
  • like we did here with this thousands per second calculation,
  • you can see the Dodge Demon is actually a really good deal.
  • And if you're just looking for an extremely fast car,
  • it's a great option.
  • It is dollar for dollar your best bet.
  • Not what I was expecting when I first started looking
  • at this data.
  • So the final tally, is we have the Tesla Roadster
  • winning four out of the seven categories.
  • The Bugatti Chiron winning two of them.
  • The Porsche 918 Spyder
  • while it is currently the world record holder
  • in the zero to 60 time,
  • it doesn't actually win any of these categories.
  • And the Dodge Demon with the price of being
  • only $100,000 comes out surprisingly with a win here.
  • So the Next-Gen Tesla Roadster does beat gas cars
  • in every single category so far.
  • We'll see what those look like once
  • it actually gets released but as of now,
  • it is winning hands down against the top cars in the world.
  • So let me know what you think about
  • that down in the comments.
  • Do you think that when the Roadster actually comes out
  • it will blow these numbers out of the water?
  • Or do you think that the Founder Series
  • will even beat these without the Space X options package
  • which says it's gonna have 10 rockets.
  • Don't know if it counts anymore as like a production car
  • at that point.
  • But anyways, if you'd like to learn more
  • about how do these things, how I was able
  • to parse this data and come up with these answers
  • and when I do these kinds of analytical things,
  • I would recommend going and checking out brilliant.org.
  • Brilliant is a really great site
  • that helps you learn math and logic
  • and solve all these kind of problems
  • in really fun and interactive ways.
  • I actually spend quite a bit of time here
  • and love their machine learning track
  • which has a lot of different statistical methods
  • and analytical ways of looking at data.
  • Which is essentially how really complex systems
  • that are based on machine learning work.
  • So I have quite a bit of fun working with this
  • and I hope you guys do to.
  • If you're interested in learning more,
  • you can go to brilliant.org/teslanomics
  • and the first 200 people get 20% off.
  • So thanks for watching this and don't forget
  • when you free the data your mind will follow.
  • I'll see you guys back here next time.
  • (upbeat music)

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Elon said recently the intent of the new roadster is to "beat gas sports cars on every performance metric by far" So, of course, I had to dig into the data. Learn the skills I used to analyze this data at https://teslanomics.co/brilliant180702

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Before we get into the details let’s go over our categories…

* For these figures are all the “peak” values that are relative to the engine or motor RPM

* And depending on things like the gear ratio these numbers can change providing different levels of acceleration

* All that is to say, until we get all of these cars on the track, these figures are just that, figures, not real-world tests

What is torque?
- Torque is force at a distance
- Torque represents how much work can be done

What is Horsepower?
- Horsepower is the rate at which work can be done

Horsepower v Toruqe:
- A car with 1000hp and 500lb-ft of torque will be faster than a car with 500hp and 1000lb-ft of torque

But there's more to the story...

* Jason Fenske over at Engineering Explained likes to say that horsepower is - https://www.youtube.com/user/EngineeringExplained/search?query=tesla+roadster

// How to Measure Performance

* Top Speed
* 0-60
* 0-100
* 1/4mi

Other Factors We’ll consider
* Price

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- Acceleration 0-60 mph 1.9 sec
- Acceleration 0-100 mph 4.2 sec
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- Wheel Torque 10,000 Nm
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// History of Tesla Roadster (2020)
In 2011, at the end of the production run of the original Tesla Roadster, Elon Musk suggested that a new version of the Roadster, without the Lotus chassis, would return to production by 2014.[3] The new Roadster was first teased in 2014.[4]

In 2015, Musk suggested a new Roadster in 2019, capable of faster acceleration.[5][6][7] A tweet by Elon Musk in December 2016 reconfirmed a second Roadster was in the works, but still "some years away".[8][9] The second Roadster was designed by Franz von Holzhausen.[10]

The 2020 version of the Roadster was shown as a surprise at the end of the Tesla Semi event on November 16, 2017—during which a Roadster was driven out of the back of one of the semi-truck trailers to the song "Sabotage".[11] Musk explained the concept as: "The point of doing this is to give a smackdown to gasoline cars. Driving a gasoline sports car is going to feel like a steam engine with a side of quiche."[12][13] The car will retail for upward of $200,000;[14] test rides were given at the event for those who immediately paid the first $5,000 of a $50,000 deposit to pre-order the vehicle.[12][15][16][17] Additional information followed after the teaser, such as the various world-record speeds Tesla said it will break.[1][18][19][20][21]

In June 2018, Elon Musk revealed a possible "SpaceX" package for the Roadster. This would add cold gas thrusters to the car to improve maneuverability; it would comprise an electric pump to recharge an air tank used to provide compressed air flowing through propelling nozzles to generate a jet thrust. The air tank, also called "composite overwrapped pressure vessel" (COPV), would replace the back seats under this option package, and add 10 thrusters. The thrusters would be used to improve cornering, acceleration, top speed, and braking.[22][23][24]