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Should You Edit Scenes to Music?

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Apr 22, 2016

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  • Today, we're going to talk about music.
  • Don't, don't do this.
  • (Music.)
  • Hello, welcome to another episode of This Guy Edits, where you get
  • to see this guy edit. Today I'd like to talk about editing with music. Should you
  • put the music in before you start editing? Or should you cut a scene dry and put
  • the music in afterwards?
  • It's obviously a scene that is highly influenced by the emotional charge of the music.
  • (Music)
  • Should you first cut the scene,
  • make sure all the dialogue, works all the performances are there, the way you
  • wanted to, pick the right shots, to pick the right moments, and then you put in a
  • piece of music afterwards?
  • (Music)
  • Or should you start off with the music first and cut to the beat of the music?
  • There are two opposing views in the world of editing. There's what I would call
  • the purists, who like to cut scenes dry, they will sometimes even not listen to
  • the dialogue, they will turn off the audio completely and they will just
  • visually start cutting a scene and putting it together in deciding what is
  • the best moments. Just visually. But that's the extreme, most of the Purists
  • really just cut straight dialogue. And then on the other end, you will have
  • people that love to cut the music.
  • Who will determine the flow, the pacing, the entire emotional arc of a scene with
  • the music. When I started out as an editor, I was one of those guys. I would
  • get your jobs and start cutting away to just music that I found. It was very
  • effective, I got a lot of instant credit for cutting interesting scenes, because
  • the music sort of took them somewhere. And then, as I progressed, I learned from
  • other editors, I fairly quickly realized that most of the professional editors
  • stay away from music at all. So then for a while I would adapt that style of
  • editing and I would also just cut scenes straight, but soon I would realize, I am
  • not fully exploring the creative unpredictable possibilities with music.
  • Something else is triggered that will take a scene into a different direction
  • and there's some universal truth to the pacing of music. Now I'm actually at a
  • point where I do both. I really do a back-and-forth. I will cut scenes purely
  • based on the footage, the dialogue and I notice that I'm editing in a more
  • rational way. But then,
  • also at some points, I get bored with that. If I don't know where I want the
  • scene to go, I let the music take me and I will just put a random piece of music
  • in there, and it immediately elevates the scene to something unexpected. I would
  • say if if I'm cutting straight without music, I probably am more predictable as a
  • storyteller. I certainly wouldn't wanna say you should do one thing or the other,
  • for me, I've learned to cut straight and then play a little, let the scene be
  • discovered, the open for happy accident. When you stumble upon a mistake
  • something that you didn't intend to do, but it starts to work, it triggers an
  • idea that actually then becomes a solid concept. That piece of music by the way,
  • it's by a great artist called Max Elto. When I typed in shadows, his song came
  • out, Shadow of the Sun and started listening to and I thought that kind
  • really works and I checked out some of these other music and he's really an
  • amazing artist. So I hope I'm not going to get copyrighted in this episode. But
  • playing this I'm going to put a link to his music and to his YouTube channel in
  • the description, so go check them out but. I'm going to show you the scene one more
  • time without music.
  • I'm just gonna take off the music and just going to mute it.
  • Don',t don't do this.
  • Mom!
  • So, even though you don't hear any sound right now, so we could put in some bar
  • songs in there right now, we could even possibly hear what they're saying there,
  • but it's still kind of works even without the music, there's still
  • something happening here that works as a story and I would have never been able
  • to cut the scene the way it is working right now without first putting music in.
  • Because there's some universal truth in there, and it doesn't come from me
  • directly, it comes from the music in the way that I respond to the music.
  • Let me know what you think. I'd love to hear how you attack scenes musically. If you
  • like this video please subscribe, like or comment. If you liked this video please
  • comment, subscribe, share & like. If you liked this episode, don't do anything, just move on.

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Music can elevate the emotion of a film scene. As film editor should she first cut to music or focus on dialog and visuals alone?

This Guy Edits shares his point of view by example of a rough cut with some temp music by Max Elto.

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