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  • >>> WILL YOU PARDON PAUL
  • >>> WILL YOU PARDON PAUL MANAFORT?
  • MANAFORT? >> I HAVE NOT GIVEN IT A THOUGHT
  • >> I HAVE NOT GIVEN IT A THOUGHT AS OF THIS MOMENT.
  • AS OF THIS MOMENT. IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT RIGHT
  • IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT RIGHT NOW ON MY MIND.
  • NOW ON MY MIND. I DO FEEL BADLY FOR PAUL
  • I DO FEEL BADLY FOR PAUL MANAFORT.
  • MANAFORT. >> BIG QUESTION FOR PRESIDENT
  • >> BIG QUESTION FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN WHETHER HE WOULD
  • TRUMP HAS BEEN WHETHER HE WOULD PARDON HIS AIDES LIKE MANAFORT
  • PARDON HIS AIDES LIKE MANAFORT UNTIL TONIGHT.
  • UNTIL TONIGHT. THAT QUESTION IN A VERY REAL
  • THAT QUESTION IN A VERY REAL SENSE MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFFER
  • SENSE MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFFER THE TABLE AS NEW YORK
  • THE TABLE AS NEW YORK PROSECUTORS ARE AIMING TO CHECK
  • PROSECUTORS ARE AIMING TO CHECK MATE PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH THESE
  • MATE PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH THESE NEW PARDON PROOF CHARGES
  • NEW PARDON PROOF CHARGES INDICTING PAUL MANAFORT ON THESE
  • INDICTING PAUL MANAFORT ON THESE 16 COUNTS.
  • 16 COUNTS. YOU’VE HEARD US MENTION THIS
  • YOU’VE HEARD US MENTION THIS BEFORE IN OUR REPORTING AND IT’S
  • BEFORE IN OUR REPORTING AND IT’S BIG DEAL TONIGHT.
  • BIG DEAL TONIGHT. KIT NOT BE STRESSED ENOUGH.
  • KIT NOT BE STRESSED ENOUGH. THIS IS THE NIGHTMARE THAT
  • THIS IS THE NIGHTMARE THAT TRUMP’S LAWYERS HAVE WARNED HIM
  • TRUMP’S LAWYERS HAVE WARNED HIM ABOUT.
  • ABOUT. THESE NEW NEW YORK CHARGES
  • THESE NEW NEW YORK CHARGES TONIGHT, THAT GO AFTER PAUL
  • TONIGHT, THAT GO AFTER PAUL MANAFORT IN WAYS THAT DONALD
  • MANAFORT IN WAYS THAT DONALD TRUMP CANNOT LEGALLY PARDON.
  • TRUMP CANNOT LEGALLY PARDON. IF CONVICTED, AND WE JUST SAW
  • IF CONVICTED, AND WE JUST SAW HOW MUCH EVIDENCE THERE COULD BE
  • HOW MUCH EVIDENCE THERE COULD BE TO USE AGAINST MANAFORT THEN
  • TO USE AGAINST MANAFORT THEN TRUMP COULDN’T REALLY SAVE HIM
  • TRUMP COULDN’T REALLY SAVE HIM FROM A LOT OF JAIL TIME.
  • FROM A LOT OF JAIL TIME. THAT’S HUGE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW,
  • THAT’S HUGE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE LOOMING QUESTION IN THE
  • THE LOOMING QUESTION IN THE ENTIRE END GAME OF THE MUELLER
  • ENTIRE END GAME OF THE MUELLER PROBE IS WHY THE FORMER CHAIR OF
  • PROBE IS WHY THE FORMER CHAIR OF TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN, PAUL MANAFORT,
  • TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN, PAUL MANAFORT, KEPT LYING AFTER PLEADING
  • KEPT LYING AFTER PLEADING GUILTY.
  • GUILTY. IT DIDN’T SEEM LIKE SOMETHING
  • IT DIDN’T SEEM LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULD DO TO PROTECT
  • YOU WOULD DO TO PROTECT YOURSELF, SO WHO WAS HE
  • YOURSELF, SO WHO WAS HE PROTECTING?
  • PROTECTING? AND WHY DID HE KEEP PARROTING NO
  • AND WHY DID HE KEEP PARROTING NO COLLUSION?
  • COLLUSION? IF YOU WATCH THIS SHOW WE FIRST
  • IF YOU WATCH THIS SHOW WE FIRST REPORTED ON THIS BACK IN AUGUST
  • REPORTED ON THIS BACK IN AUGUST 2017 WHEN WE WROTE AND REPORTED
  • 2017 WHEN WE WROTE AND REPORTED ON THE BEAT ABOUT THE WAYS THAT
  • ON THE BEAT ABOUT THE WAYS THAT STATE AGs COULD INVESTIGATE THE
  • STATE AGs COULD INVESTIGATE THE CASES AND IF THEY FOUND CHARGES
  • CASES AND IF THEY FOUND CHARGES THAT WOULD BE END RUN OF FEDERAL
  • THAT WOULD BE END RUN OF FEDERAL CHARGES IN WAS 2017.
  • CHARGES IN WAS 2017. >> TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME WE
  • >> TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME WE CAN REPORT NEW FINDINGS FROM AN
  • CAN REPORT NEW FINDINGS FROM AN MSNBC LEGAL UNIT INVESTIGATION
  • MSNBC LEGAL UNIT INVESTIGATION INTO THE OTHER WAY THIS RUSSIA
  • INTO THE OTHER WAY THIS RUSSIA PROBE COULD CONTINUE EVEN AFTER
  • PROBE COULD CONTINUE EVEN AFTER PARDONS THROUGH PROSECUTION FOR
  • PARDONS THROUGH PROSECUTION FOR STATE CRIMES.
  • STATE CRIMES. A SOURCE WITH KNOWLEDGE OF --
  • A SOURCE WITH KNOWLEDGE OF -- >> I THINK WE MIGHT RERACK THAT
  • >> I THINK WE MIGHT RERACK THAT BECAUSE THIS IS PRETTY
  • BECAUSE THIS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
  • IMPORTANT. DO WE HAVE THE ENDING OF THAT?
  • DO WE HAVE THE ENDING OF THAT? THIS WAS AUGUST 2017.
  • THIS WAS AUGUST 2017. MUELLER WAS IN OFFICE FOR A FEW
  • MUELLER WAS IN OFFICE FOR A FEW MONTHS AND WE REPORTED THERE WAS
  • MONTHS AND WE REPORTED THERE WAS A STATE LOOKING AT THIS WAY OF
  • A STATE LOOKING AT THIS WAY OF CHARGING THAT WOULD GO AROUND
  • CHARGING THAT WOULD GO AROUND DONALD TRUMP AS A PERSON WHO
  • DONALD TRUMP AS A PERSON WHO CONTROLS FEDERAL PARDONS.
  • CONTROLS FEDERAL PARDONS. LET’S TAKE A LOOK.
  • LET’S TAKE A LOOK. >> TONIGHT FOR FIRST TIME WE CAN
  • >> TONIGHT FOR FIRST TIME WE CAN REPORT NEW FINDS FROM AN MSNBC
  • REPORT NEW FINDS FROM AN MSNBC LEGAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE
  • LEGAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE OTHER WAY THIS RUSSIA PROBE
  • OTHER WAY THIS RUSSIA PROBE COULD CONTINUE EVEN AFTER
  • COULD CONTINUE EVEN AFTER PARDONS.
  • PARDONS. THROUGH PROSECUTION FOR STATE
  • THROUGH PROSECUTION FOR STATE CRIMES.
  • CRIMES. A SOURCE WITH KNOWLEDGE OF ONE
  • A SOURCE WITH KNOWLEDGE OF ONE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S
  • STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S REPARATIONREP
  • REPARATIONREP PREPARATION TALEELLS ME OFFICE I
  • PREPARATION TALEELLS ME OFFICE I LOOKING AT ITS JURISDICTION FOR
  • LOOKING AT ITS JURISDICTION FOR RUSSIA RELATED CRIMES.
  • RUSSIA RELATED CRIMES. >> THAT’S WHAT WE KNEW IN 2017.
  • >> THAT’S WHAT WE KNEW IN 2017. NOW WE KNOW NO PARDON CAN SAVE
  • NOW WE KNOW NO PARDON CAN SAVE MANAFORT IN NEW YORK.
  • MANAFORT IN NEW YORK. I’M EXCITED ABOUT OUR GUEST ON
  • I’M EXCITED ABOUT OUR GUEST ON THIS TOPIC.
  • THIS TOPIC. HE WAS THE JACK McCOY TO VANCE’S
  • HE WAS THE JACK McCOY TO VANCE’S ADAM SCHIFF.
  • ADAM SCHIFF. THANK YOU FOR COMING ON THE BEAT
  • THANK YOU FOR COMING ON THE BEAT TONIGHT.
  • TONIGHT. >> MY PLEASURE.
  • >> MY PLEASURE. >> WHAT DOES IT MEAN THAT YOU
  • >> WHAT DOES IT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE THE D.A. GOING AT CHARGES
  • HAVE THE D.A. GOING AT CHARGES LIKE THIS AFTER SOMEONE HAS JUST
  • LIKE THIS AFTER SOMEONE HAS JUST FINISHED GETTING THEIR FEDERAL
  • FINISHED GETTING THEIR FEDERAL SENTENCE?
  • SENTENCE? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A CASE LIKE
  • HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A CASE LIKE THIS
  • THIS THIS?
  • THIS? >> NO.
  • >> NO. NEW YORK’S DOUBLE JEOPARDY
  • NEW YORK’S DOUBLE JEOPARDY LAWYERS ARE VERY STRONG.
  • LAWYERS ARE VERY STRONG. IT WOULD BE VERY UNLIKELY.
  • IT WOULD BE VERY UNLIKELY. ALSO IT’S NOT LIKE THERE WAS
  • ALSO IT’S NOT LIKE THERE WAS SOME OBVIOUS MISCARRIAGE OF
  • SOME OBVIOUS MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE.
  • JUSTICE. I THINK PROBABLY WHAT D.A.VANCE
  • I THINK PROBABLY WHAT D.A.VANCE IS THINKING AS YOU’VE SAID IS
  • IS THINKING AS YOU’VE SAID IS THAT IN CASE TRUMP WOULD PARDON
  • THAT IN CASE TRUMP WOULD PARDON MANAFORT THAT HE WOULD HAVE
  • MANAFORT THAT HE WOULD HAVE THESE CHARGES HANGING OVER HIS
  • THESE CHARGES HANGING OVER HIS HEAD.
  • HEAD. >> YOU HAVEN’T SPOKEN TO THE
  • >> YOU HAVEN’T SPOKEN TO THE D.A.
  • D.A. >> NO.
  • >> NO. >> YOU WORKED WITH HIM FOR A
  • >> YOU WORKED WITH HIM FOR A LONG TIME.
  • LONG TIME. YOUR VIEW IS HE KNOWS THIS IS AN
  • YOUR VIEW IS HE KNOWS THIS IS AN EXTRA STEP AND HE MAY BE TAKING
  • EXTRA STEP AND HE MAY BE TAKING IT IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH AND
  • IT IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH AND COUNTER A POTENTIAL ABUSE OF THE
  • COUNTER A POTENTIAL ABUSE OF THE FEDERAL PARDON POWER.
  • FEDERAL PARDON POWER. >> STRESSING I DON’T KNOW
  • >> STRESSING I DON’T KNOW DIRECTLY FROM THE D.A., THAT
  • DIRECTLY FROM THE D.A., THAT WOULD BE MY EDUCATED GUESS.
  • WOULD BE MY EDUCATED GUESS. >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, HOW
  • >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE LIKELY LOOD L
  • WOULD YOU RATE THE LIKELY LOOD L GETTING MANAFORT A CONVICTION IN
  • GETTING MANAFORT A CONVICTION IN NEW YORK?
  • NEW YORK? >> PUTTING ASIDE THE DOUBLE
  • >> PUTTING ASIDE THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY QUESTION WHICH HE HAS
  • JEOPARDY QUESTION WHICH HE HAS THAT A A POTENTIAL DEFENSE, THE
  • THAT A A POTENTIAL DEFENSE, THE CASE IS A SLAM DUNK.
  • CASE IS A SLAM DUNK. HE PLED GUILTY TO THESE CHARGES
  • HE PLED GUILTY TO THESE CHARGES IN FEDERAL COURT.
  • IN FEDERAL COURT. HE ALSO ADMITTED THAT HE WAS
  • HE ALSO ADMITTED THAT HE WAS GUILTY OF THE COUNTS THAT HUNG
  • GUILTY OF THE COUNTS THAT HUNG WHERE THE JURY DIDN’T REACH A
  • WHERE THE JURY DIDN’T REACH A VERDICT.
  • VERDICT. PLFRT
  • PLFRT MANAFORT HAS ADMITTED THE
  • MANAFORT HAS ADMITTED THE UNDERLYING FACTS.
  • UNDERLYING FACTS. HE WILL BE RELATIVELY EASILY
  • HE WILL BE RELATIVELY EASILY CONVICTABLE.
  • CONVICTABLE. >> YOU’RE SAYING ONE OF THE STAR
  • >> YOU’RE SAYING ONE OF THE STAR WITNESSES AGAINST PAUL MANAFORT
  • WITNESSES AGAINST PAUL MANAFORT IN THE NEW YORK CASE IS PAUL
  • IN THE NEW YORK CASE IS PAUL MANAFORT?
  • MANAFORT? >> CLEARLY.
  • >> CLEARLY. >> WHAT COULD HE GET?
  • >> WHAT COULD HE GET? >> THE MAXIMUM IS 8 TO 25.
  • >> THE MAXIMUM IS 8 TO 25. THE MINIMUM IS 1 TO 30 YEARS.
  • THE MINIMUM IS 1 TO 30 YEARS. >> BASED OPN YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WHA
  • >> BASED OPN YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WHA WOULD BE A REASONABLE OUTCOME IN
  • WOULD BE A REASONABLE OUTCOME IN NEW YORK?
  • NEW YORK? >> THE NEW YORK DIDN’T HAVE
  • >> THE NEW YORK DIDN’T HAVE SENTENCING GUIDELINES.
  • SENTENCING GUIDELINES. THE JUDGE HAS COMPLETE DISKREEGS
  • THE JUDGE HAS COMPLETE DISKREEGS AS
  • AS -- DISKREEGS.
  • -- DISKREEGS. IT’S WORTH THE TWO, THREE, FOUR
  • IT’S WORTH THE TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS RANGE ON THE LOW END.
  • YEARS RANGE ON THE LOW END. >> HOW DOES CY VANCE GO ABOUT
  • >> HOW DOES CY VANCE GO ABOUT THIS?
  • THIS? BOB MUELLER HAS A DIFFERENT
  • BOB MUELLER HAS A DIFFERENT REPUTATION.
  • REPUTATION. X HE
  • X HE HE IS FIRST PERSON AS A
  • HE IS FIRST PERSON AS A PROSECUTOR OUTSIDE OF THE
  • PROSECUTOR OUTSIDE OF THE FEDERAL SYSTEM TO TAKE UP
  • FEDERAL SYSTEM TO TAKE UP CHARGES AGAINST A PROMINENT
  • CHARGES AGAINST A PROMINENT TRUMP AIDE.
  • TRUMP AIDE. DOES HE KNOW HE STARTED WHAT
  • DOES HE KNOW HE STARTED WHAT MIGHT BE THE BIGGEST CASE OF HIS
  • MIGHT BE THE BIGGEST CASE OF HIS CAREER?
  • CAREER? >> IT’SHE’S A VERY SMART AND CAR
  • >> IT’SHE’S A VERY SMART AND CAR PROSECUTOR.
  • PROSECUTOR. I DON’T KNOW HE WOULD AGREE IT’S
  • I DON’T KNOW HE WOULD AGREE IT’S THE MOST IMPORTANT OF HIS
  • THE MOST IMPORTANT OF HIS CAREER.
  • CAREER. I THINK IT’S A MANTRA THAT THEY
  • I THINK IT’S A MANTRA THAT THEY SAY EVERY CASE IS IMPORTANT TO
  • SAY EVERY CASE IS IMPORTANT TO THE VICTIM.
  • THE VICTIM. IMPORTANT FOR SURE BUT I DON’T
  • IMPORTANT FOR SURE BUT I DON’T THINK HE COULD SAY TO THE
  • THINK HE COULD SAY TO THE EXCLUSION OF LOTS OF OTHER CASES
  • EXCLUSION OF LOTS OF OTHER CASES LEAST HAD.
  • LEAST HAD. >> INTERESTING.
  • >> INTERESTING. THE LAST QUESTION IS THE BIGGEST
  • THE LAST QUESTION IS THE BIGGEST ONE.
  • ONE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS?
  • DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? >> I DO NOT KNOW.
  • >> I DO NOT KNOW. >> BEING SOMEONE WHO ALMOST RAN
  • >> BEING SOMEONE WHO ALMOST RAN THE WHOLE D.A.’S OFFICE, I BET
  • THE WHOLE D.A.’S OFFICE, I BET YOU CAN IMAGINE.
  • YOU CAN IMAGINE. PAUL MANAFORT PLED OUT ONCE.
  • PAUL MANAFORT PLED OUT ONCE. CLAIMING HE WAS FLIPPING AND
  • CLAIMING HE WAS FLIPPING AND LIED TO MUELLER’S PROSECUTORS.
  • LIED TO MUELLER’S PROSECUTORS. HE’S FACING A LONGER JAIL
  • HE’S FACING A LONGER JAIL SENTENCE IN NEW YORK THAN WHAT
  • SENTENCE IN NEW YORK THAN WHAT ME FACED AGAINST MUELLER IN A
  • ME FACED AGAINST MUELLER IN A PLACE WHERE THERE’S NO PARDON
  • PLACE WHERE THERE’S NO PARDON AND MIGHT HAVE ROUGHER
  • AND MIGHT HAVE ROUGHER TREATMENT.
  • TREATMENT. DO YOU THINK THE D.A. CAN FLIP
  • DO YOU THINK THE D.A. CAN FLIP HIM FOR REAL THIS TIME?
  • HIM FOR REAL THIS TIME? >> IF I WERE A BETTING MAN, I
  • >> IF I WERE A BETTING MAN, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY NOT.
  • WOULD SAY PROBABLY NOT. IF HE DIDN’T FLIP UNDER THE
  • IF HE DIDN’T FLIP UNDER THE FEDERAL CHARGES, I WOULD SAY HE
  • FEDERAL CHARGES, I WOULD SAY HE HE IS UNLIKELY TO COOPERATE.
  • HE IS UNLIKELY TO COOPERATE. >> WHY DO PEOPLE RESIST TO THE
  • >> WHY DO PEOPLE RESIST TO THE END?
  • END? >> THERE’S A MILLION REASONS.
  • >> THERE’S A MILLION REASONS. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE VIEW
  • THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE VIEW OF THE TRUTH.
  • OF THE TRUTH. PEOPLE THEY ARE PROTECTING.
  • PEOPLE THEY ARE PROTECTING. IN MY EXPERIENCE THE BIGGEST
  • IN MY EXPERIENCE THE BIGGEST REASON COOPERATING WITNESSES LIE
  • REASON COOPERATING WITNESSES LIE IS NOT TO FALSELY INCRIMINATE
  • IS NOT TO FALSELY INCRIMINATE SOMEBODY, IT’S TO PROTECT
  • SOMEBODY, IT’S TO PROTECT SOMEONE.
  • SOMEONE. >> DO THEY DO IT OUT OF FEAR?
  • >> DO THEY DO IT OUT OF FEAR? >> SOMETIMES.
  • >> SOMETIMES. I DON’T KNOW IF THEY’RE DOING
  • I DON’T KNOW IF THEY’RE DOING THAT HERE.
  • THAT HERE. WE HAVE THE INTERNATIONAL
  • WE HAVE THE INTERNATIONAL CONNECTIONS.
  • CONNECTIONS. >> HE MAY BE ON THE WRONG SIDE
  • >> HE MAY BE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.
  • OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD. >> OBVIOUSLY POSSIBLE BUT I HAVE
  • >> OBVIOUSLY POSSIBLE BUT I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT.
  • NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. >> AS SOMEONE WHO WORKED WITH
  • >> AS SOMEONE WHO WORKED WITH THE D.A. HERE AND FILED THE NEW
  • THE D.A. HERE AND FILED THE NEW CHARJS
  • CHARJS CHARGE, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING
  • CHARGE, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK ON.

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The Manhattan District Attorney files new charges against Paul Manafort. Ari Melber breaks down “The Beat” reporting from August 2017, on an MSNBC Legal Unit investigation into how the Russia probe could continue even after pardons, through prosecution for State crimes. A source with knowledge of one State Attorney General’s preparations told Ari Melber then, that the office was already looking at its jurisdiction for Russia related crimes. Following up on that story, Ari Melber speaks with former Chief Assistant District Attorney for Manhattan under Cyrus Vance, the District Attorney who filed new charges against Manafort, telling Melber the State case against him is a “slam dunk” because “Manafort has already admitted the underlying facts”. Daniel Alonso reveals the new charges against Manafort are “very unusual” and his view is that Vance is filing charges to counter a potential abuse to the Federal pardon power.
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