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  • Please be seated.
  • Hello, Your Honor.
  • Hello.
  • This is the case of Webb v. Cole.
  • Thank you, Jerome. Good day, everyone.
  • AUDIENCE: Good day.
  • Mr. Webb,
  • you and your girlfriend say there's no chance, whatsoever,
  • that you fathered the defendant's
  • 6-month-old daughter, Majestic.
  • You say your evidence will shock this court room.
  • Is that correct?
  • Yes, Your Honor.
  • All right. Ms. Cole, you and your mother
  • say you're 100% certain that Mr. Webb is your child's biological father
  • and say the only reason he's denying your baby
  • is to save his relationship with the woman he's been with
  • for the past three years, is that correct?
  • Yes, Your Honor.
  • JUDGE LAKE: All right.
  • So, Mr. Webb, how can you be so certain
  • you are not this child's biological father?
  • I never had sex with her, Your Honor.
  • (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
  • NATHANIEL: (LAUGHS) And that...
  • Well, that would rule you out.
  • You never had sex with her?
  • No.
  • Yeah, he did.
  • She's a liar. She's crazy.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Cole, we've heard a lot of defenses in this court room,
  • rarely have we ever heard that you've never had sex with her.
  • She's absolutely crazy.
  • So, you think she's just making this up?
  • Yeah.
  • TASHA: No, I'm not.
  • Yes.
  • If you've never had sex with... Why are you here?
  • I know for a fact that dates line up.
  • And I know he stayed with me for two months.
  • And he slept in my bed with me for one night
  • and we had sex, April 11th.
  • JUDGE LAKE: That's when you believe you conceived your daughter?
  • Yeah.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Webb, this is strange.
  • What was the nature of your relationship?
  • We never had sex or anything. We were just friends. We would chill out.
  • That was it.
  • You were never intimate with her in any way?
  • I never stayed in her bedroom.
  • I stayed out on the couch.
  • TASHA: That's a lie.
  • And on top of that, I was only there for a week and...
  • A week... A week and a half.
  • That's not true.
  • That's a lie.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Cole...
  • All right, take me back to the night you believe you conceived.
  • I can't exactly remember,
  • but I know that it was the night that we was partying.
  • Oh, yeah, right.
  • Well...
  • He ain't like that.
  • NATHANIEL: Your Honor, the worst that we've ever done is take a picture
  • and she was already in the bathroom.
  • She had called me in there when I walked in the bathroom, she said...
  • She took a picture before I can even say anything.
  • I didn't even wanna take that picture.
  • That's how crazy she is.
  • She posted... Shut up.
  • TASHA: There's more than one.
  • She posted it on Facebook.
  • There's more than one.
  • And when I told her to take it down, she refused to
  • because she crazy.
  • Come on. You know dang good and well
  • that me and my husband took care of you
  • the whole time you were there.
  • I didn't see you...
  • I didn't see you for one time the whole time I was there.
  • (BOTH ARGUING LOUDLY)
  • JUDGE LAKE: All right, let's get some order!
  • You need help just as much as...
  • I'm sorry, Your Honor, but I'm not getting... (SPLUTTERS)
  • So, Ms. Cole, you said you and your husband
  • were taking care of Mr. Webb?
  • Yes, and my grandkids and anybody else that need it.
  • NATHANIEL: You're a liar.
  • You are a liar!
  • NATHANIEL: Everything that you're saying...
  • You're a liar!
  • She was on the phone with me five, six times a day.
  • (SCREAMS) You're a liar!
  • Why was Mr. Webb living with you?
  • He's a punk bum.
  • We supplied everything for them.
  • Their food, everything.
  • Everything. And...
  • JUDGE LAKE: Why were you living there?
  • I wasn't living there. We were hanging out for a week, a week and a half.
  • Right.
  • NATHANIEL: And on top of that,
  • April 18th, I had moved back to Detroit.
  • How was I there for two or three months?
  • But why were you staying there
  • with them for a week if you had a girlfriend?
  • She had knew about it. We were friends.
  • She trust me. She knows I'm not...
  • I'm not like that.
  • I don't do that type of stuff.
  • I've known him for seven years
  • and he is not like that at all.
  • And you called me...
  • Yeah.
  • And you called me with his friend
  • telling me that he was there for three weeks
  • and you guys were having sex and blah, blah, blah...
  • At first, I did believe that.
  • But then, I heard his story...
  • You believed...
  • ...and none of... Shut up! I am talking.
  • (AUDIENCE EXCLAIM)
  • Hold on. Let's be respectful.
  • AUBRIANA: So, anyway, she was telling me
  • that they were sleeping together and stuff.
  • He wasn't even there for three weeks.
  • He was there for a week, maybe a week and a half!
  • Just over there?
  • Yes, he was saying...
  • I knew they were hanging out.
  • I don't understand this, do you, Jerome?
  • JEROME: No.
  • I never knew they were talking.
  • We didn't even know that...
  • I never get that.
  • We talked five or six times a day.
  • How did you not know?
  • Well, she's the one
  • that called me with his friend.
  • NATHANIEL: She had heard her voice in the background numerous times.
  • How does that makes sense?
  • So, you're over there hanging out, partying,
  • because you're friends with Ms. Cole?
  • NATHANIEL: Right.
  • He had multiple friends there when they had the party.
  • And what you're saying is you never ended up being intimate with her,
  • like she's saying.
  • NATHANIEL: No. No.
  • All right, where did you sleep?
  • On the couch in the living room.
  • Are you... Is there something wrong here?
  • Mr. Webb, how did you find out she was pregnant?
  • Can I... Can I show you?
  • JUDGE LAKE: Do you have a diagram?
  • Yes.
  • I'd like to see it. Please step forward.
  • NATHANIEL: This is how this went, the first message.
  • She messaged me saying, "Hey. I got an ultrasound."
  • I said, "Okay. Can we leave it at that, Tasha?
  • "It's not my baby. I'm not trying to..."
  • (NATHANIEL CONTINUES READING)
  • At this point, I'm thinking,
  • I feel like she's trying to say that I'm the baby daddy,
  • but not... But just hinting, not actually saying it.
  • All right.
  • NATHANIEL: Okay.
  • So, here's the second one.
  • This is what came next.
  • I told her... I said, "I'm not trying to be mean.
  • "I just want this to end." 'Cause I'm not a mean person.
  • I'm not a hateful person.
  • But when it comes to her and what she's put me through with the lies last year,
  • I can't take it no more.
  • She had sent me a message back saying...
  • (READING ON-SCREEN TEXTS)
  • After this, this is where I'm like, she's literally crazy.
  • 'Cause now I understand what she's saying.
  • The first text,
  • I'm thinking, "Okay, she's hinting towards it."
  • Now she's full blown out,
  • trying to say that we did stuff.
  • So, that's where I'm like, "There's something wrong with her."
  • Okay. This is the last one. This is how this ended.
  • She had sent me an ultrasound saying, "That's a 3D photo.
  • "Tell me she don't look like you."
  • (AUDIENCE LAUGH)
  • Are you that crazy?
  • How crazy are you that I look... Do I look like ultrasound?
  • Who... I had never...
  • TASHA: That's a pretty picture.
  • NATHANIEL: I got on Google...
  • TASHA: She looks a lot like him.
  • ...'cause I don't know much about baby stuff.
  • So, I'm thinking, "Is that a... Is that a thing now?"
  • So, I said, "Tasha, you're crazy."
  • (NATHANIEL CONTINUES READING)
  • And that was that. I just didn't wanna deal with her anymore.
  • I still don't.
  • Oh, my goodness.
  • Did he ever acknowledge that he was the father?
  • He admitted to my cousin.
  • NATHANIEL: Oh, you are lying.
  • AUBRIANA: No, he did not.
  • He admitted it to my cousin
  • that he was the dad.
  • What do you think, Mr. Webb, is Ms. Cole's motive,
  • if you say you've never slept with her?
  • Why manufacture all of this?
  • I think she's obsessed with me.
  • She's obsessed with me or something.
  • No.
  • I don't know what it is.
  • I've been trying to figure out...
  • There's one reason why I'm here...
  • Her dad is...
  • To know for sure he's the dad,
  • because I did have another partner.
  • It was a month.
  • A month prior.
  • Now we find out.
  • No, I told you there was another possibility
  • and I told the other possibility there was another...
  • Oh, you also told them that you're 100% sure
  • that I was the father, you and your mom said that.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Wait a minute, Ms. Cole...
  • Look. She looks just like him.
  • AUBRIANA: That baby is white.
  • He is dark.
  • I'm sorry, but I'm Puerto Rican. I...
  • JUDGE LAKE: Okay.
  • That's all I got to say.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Cole. Ms. Cole?
  • TASHA: What?
  • You're saying that you were honest... And don't say "What?"
  • I'm sorry. Yes, Your Honor. (LAUGHS)
  • (SIGHS) Let me take a breath.
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • Ms. Cole, so you admit it.
  • There's another possibility.
  • And you say you've been upfront since the beginning.
  • It's either Mr. Webb or this other gentleman.
  • Yeah. As soon as I took the pregnancy test,
  • I immediately texted him
  • and called the other guy and I told both of them.
  • That's a lie.
  • I was for certain that the other guy was the dad...
  • (NATHANIEL LAUGHS)
  • ...until my due date got changed
  • a month ahead, which would make him the dad.
  • It went from February 22nd to January 28th.
  • You submitted a calendar to the court, am I correct?
  • Oh, you have another copy. Jerome, let me see that, please.
  • So this calendar outlines what exactly?
  • In red is the date you were intimate
  • with Mr. Webb, on the 11th of April?
  • TASHA: Yeah And then,
  • my conception was...
  • JUDGE LAKE: The window of conception is in blue.
  • TASHA: Yeah.
  • JUDGE LAKE: So, that's the week prior to the 11th?
  • TASHA: Yeah.
  • JUDGE LAKE: And then, Majestic was born on the 28th of January,
  • correct?
  • Yes.
  • JUDGE LAKE: When were you intimate with the other guy?
  • NATHANIEL: She don't even know.
  • May, uh, 15th, 16th.
  • NATHANIEL: How do you get those two mixed up?
  • That's over a month. How are you gonna say that you think it's him
  • and then over a month?
  • Because the due date.
  • The due date.
  • NATHANIEL: No. No.
  • The doctor gave a due date.
  • There's something wrong with you.
  • These are things that she has
  • literally made herself believe.
  • She made herself believe these lies that she's telling.
  • But Mr. Webb says he never slept with you.
  • TASHA: And he did.
  • But he did.
  • For sure, yeah.
  • It was a lousy, like, 20 minutes.
  • (AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
  • Sorry.
  • TASHA: I'm so sorry, Your Honor.
  • Okay. There was two witnesses there
  • that said that there... That they never had sex at the party.
  • NATHANIEL: The night that she said that we had sex or whatever,
  • two of our friends were there. One of them were her family members
  • and even he said that we didn't do nothing.
  • They were up... They were partying with us the whole night,
  • and I was...
  • So, if... If you're sleeping at the house
  • and you all are "partying",
  • I won't ask what that means,
  • but if it goes on for a week and a half,
  • I really don't think it's anything positive.
  • Um...
  • So, if it goes on that long,
  • are you sure that one night of "partying"
  • didn't lead you to sleep with her,
  • and you may not even recall?
  • You know, I've actually...
  • JUDGE LAKE: Or want to admit in front of your girlfriend?
  • Yeah.
  • NATHANIEL: You know, I've thought of the possibility.
  • Me and her have had this conversation over and over.
  • She knew I was over there partying.
  • I didn't hide nothing from her.
  • We talked that night on the phone...
  • You're hiding this from her.
  • ...over for four or five times.
  • Well, you could talk on the phone with her four or five times a day,
  • and still end... End up in the bed with Ms. Cole.
  • I mean, that's doable.
  • NATHANIEL: Well, every time I party,
  • I've never been the type to wake up and not remember what I...
  • What I've done the night before. I know myself.
  • That's just how it is. Unless there's something
  • I don't know, like her drugging me or something.
  • That's all I know.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Without...
  • Ms. Cole, without being too graphic,
  • are there any other details,
  • specifics that you can share that would prove your case?
  • I can tell you how big his winker is.
  • (AUDIENCE EXCLAIM)
  • It's pretty small.
  • AUBRIANA: No, it's not.
  • NATHANIEL: Mmm-hmm!
  • I could tell you plenty of times.
  • It's about that big.
  • I've known him for seven years.
  • It's about that big.
  • Definitely not!
  • Definitely not, and don't you dare
  • tell a thing about his penis.
  • (AUDIENCE CHEERING)
  • NATHANIEL: It's probably because she's never seen it in her life, clearly.
  • All we're here to do is to find out if he is the father.
  • I was without my father for 39 years.
  • I want to know that my grandchild has a father.
  • It's pretty bad...
  • Well, it ain't me.
  • TRULIE: Not having a dad. I know how it is.
  • My mom hasn't had her dad...
  • That's the only reason we're here.
  • NATHANIEL: Your Honor, can I show you something?
  • JUDGE LAKE: What is that you have, sir?
  • This is... You know, some text messages that she sent.
  • I'm sorry. I'm still getting over the previous testimony.
  • Jerome, pass me this evidence.
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • These are text messages of her telling me that she...
  • It's either me or the other guy. She's not even for sure.
  • JUDGE LAKE: So this is a... These are text messages?
  • It's just... It's just until now that she decided
  • that it's for sure 100% me.
  • No.
  • NATHANIEL: But does that text to you...
  • Does it look like to you that she's for sure?
  • 'Cause my due date changed.
  • JUDGE LAKE: So, this reads, "Nothing about this is hard."
  • (JUDGE LAKE CONTINUES READING)
  • This is from you.
  • (CONTINUES READING)
  • You write to her again.
  • And then, she writes to you,
  • "It's you or a white dude."
  • (CONTINUES READING)
  • I guarantee she don't even know the name to the dude.
  • TASHA: Yeah, actually, I do.
  • So, you admit here, actually, this further lends credibility
  • to your early testimony, Ms. Cole,
  • where you said...
  • AUBRIANA: No.
  • TASHA: Yeah.
  • ...it's either you or another gentleman.
  • Yes.
  • Now, on the monitor,
  • if there's a split screen...
  • TASHA: Look at the nose.
  • ...of Mr. Webb and Majestic.
  • NATHANIEL: (CHUCKLES) She needs glasses too though.
  • AUBRIANA: Definitely.
  • JUDGE LAKE: You believe there's a resemblance?
  • TRULIE: Definitely.
  • TASHA: Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
  • JUDGE LAKE: You obviously don't see it?
  • Oh, my... (SNICKERS)
  • My God, no.
  • TASHA: She was dark up until she was three months old.
  • NATHANIEL: She was dark the first two hours she was born.
  • TASHA: She lightened up.
  • NATHANIEL: I can't even...
  • And this picture
  • is to show what exactly?
  • NATHANIEL: That that baby don't look nothing like me.
  • JUDGE LAKE: So, you're sayin there's absolutely
  • no resemblance?
  • NATHANIEL: Absolutely nothing.
  • AUBRIANA: That baby is just straight white.
  • I ain't white. I'm brown.
  • Yeah, he's definitely brown.
  • You're not that brown.
  • AUBRIANA: Yes, he is. He's Puerto Rican and Indian.
  • Yeah, he's brown!
  • Do you see my skin color?
  • Are you blind?
  • And obviously, you've seen
  • his body, so you know he is brown.
  • Somebody get this girl
  • some glasses, dude.
  • We know that children come in all shapes, sizes, and colors.
  • Moving on. Ms. Cole,
  • has she ever said, "Mom, really, the other guy is the father."
  • Or is she really hoping Mr. Webb is the father?
  • No, she's not hoping that Mr. Webb is the father.
  • No.
  • What has she said about the other guy?
  • She doesn't want him to be the dad either.
  • (CHUCKLES) So, I mean, it's... To be honest...
  • Neither one of them are any good.
  • Neither one of them are, you know,
  • gonna amount to anything.
  • Nothing...
  • JUDGE LAKE: All right. Let's move on. Let's deal with the paternity.
  • You all are getting on my last nerve.
  • (AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
  • (SIGHS) Okay.
  • Sorry, Your Honor.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Majestic is six months old.
  • TASHA: Yeah.
  • JUDGE LAKE: She obviously has no relationship with either man.
  • No.
  • No.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Have you ever seen her, Mr. Webb?
  • No.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Held her?
  • No.
  • JUDGE LAKE: And the other gentleman has not either?
  • He's incarcerated.
  • Okay. Mr. Webb, if you are this child's biological father,
  • are you willing to be a father?
  • That's not something I've thought about
  • considering I didn't have sex with her.
  • So, I mean, it's just never something I really thought about, honestly.
  • It's something that I have to sit down and think about by myself.
  • TASHA: You did too sleep with me and you know that.
  • (SIGHS)
  • Yeah, I'm done arguing.
  • TASHA: The truth will come out in a few minutes, so...
  • AUBRIANA: Good. We're waiting.
  • And I'm gonna laugh at you.
  • (CHUCKLES)
  • JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Cole...
  • Good for you.
  • Like that's gonna do something.
  • Yes.
  • I do have the results.
  • TASHA: Sorry.
  • Jerome?
  • Here you go, Your Honor.
  • JUDGE LAKE: These results were prepared by DNA Diagnostics and they read as follows.
  • In the case of Webb v. Cole,
  • when it comes to 6-month-old Majestic Cole,
  • it has been determined by this court...
  • JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Webb,
  • you...
  • Are not her father.
  • AUBRIANA: Whoo!
  • Oh!
  • You're a freak!
  • Yeah. You're crazy.
  • You need to go to a mental hospital!
  • JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Webb...
  • Get her there. Get her there.
  • Mr. Webb, Ms. Reams, stop.
  • But I want a lie detector...
  • Listen, we don't clown in this court room.
  • I know you probably feel relieved,
  • vindicated, but at the same time,
  • there's a beautiful young baby
  • whose life and paternity is still at issue.
  • Ms. Cole, you stood firm in your testimony
  • that you were intimate with Mr. Webb.
  • Yes.
  • And this other guy?
  • TASHA: Yes, Your Honor.
  • Have you mentioned this pregnancy to the other guy?
  • I told both of them
  • after the same day I took the pregnancy test.
  • And have you spoken to the other guy since?
  • TASHA: No.
  • And I'm gonna be writing him a letter now.
  • JUDGE LAKE: The other guy?
  • TASHA: Yeah.
  • But he's a lot better.
  • He's a... He's a lot better.
  • (SNICKERS)
  • (SCATTERED LAUGHTER)
  • He's not... He's not better, okay?
  • In the meantime, we have counseling and resources available to you.
  • Thank God.
  • JUDGE LAKE: To help you
  • because I'm a little concerned.
  • We all are.
  • (CONTINUES SNICKERING)
  • JUDGE LAKE: (STAMMERS) Stop laughing.
  • Stop laughing.
  • NATHANIEL: I apologize, Your Honor.
  • Stop laughing. It really isn't funny.
  • Whatever the partying and all this stuff is,
  • you took part in it and it landed you right here.
  • This is not funny.
  • TASHA: (VOICE BREAKING) I really thought he was the dad.
  • JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Cole, what are you feeling in this moment?
  • (VOICE BREAKING) I just... I really thought was the dad.
  • I really thought he was the dad. That's why.
  • But, I mean,
  • I just feel really stupid. (SNIFFLING)
  • AUDIENCE: Aw.
  • (CRIES)
  • Listen, we will be here for you.
  • The most important thing is to keep Majestic first.
  • Oh, yeah. Always.
  • JUDGE LAKE: All right?
  • And I don't want you to be in position where you are just
  • accusing this man and that man.
  • Really think about it first.
  • And when you reach out to that person,
  • if they'd like a DNA test to be sure,
  • get it so Majestic can have that clarity, too.
  • Do you understand?
  • Yes.
  • JUDGE LAKE: All right. Well, I wish you the very best of luck.
  • Take advantage of the counseling.
  • Court is adjourned.
  • (GAVEL BANGS)
  • (APPLAUSE)

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