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[Chim vs Pearl Debate] Liu Bei VS Cao Cao, Who is better boss?

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  • Greetings. This is Chim vs Pearl, serious and strict debate.
  • Chim vs Pearl, serious and strict debate is a program to discuss about hyper-controversial subjects.
  • If one is deeply convinced by opponent's opinion,
  • and says "I submit.",
  • the debate will end instantly.
  • If no one says "I submit.",
  • counted by the Terran command center and super computer,
  • viewers vote will conclude the debate.
  • So at the end,
  • please try to vote through the chat.
  • Today's subject is,
  • Liu Bei VS Cao Cao, who is better boss at work?
  • For today's debate, here comes the catapult Geodude of three kingdoms period,
  • human military ration, Mr. Rice ball,
  • disputant Joo Ho-min. Hello Mr. Joo,
  • Nice to see you, disputant Chimchakman.
  • Nice to see you too. How have you been?
  • I went on family trip,
  • with Lee malnyun, and I'm still trying to recover.
  • ah the travel fatigue.
  • That video we recorded for YouTube. Why did you instagram it?
  • It was a teaser. 30 seconds.
  • Come on.. you were just desperate for attention, that's why.
  • That's right.
  • I had nothing else to upload.
  • Yellow card. Videos' are property of ChimTube
  • OK
  • You are not free
  • You.. are...not... free...
  • I lost the last debate,
  • Merman Vs Reverse Merman,
  • So I will choose the position first.
  • I think,
  • Liu Bei is better boss.
  • I'll take the Liu Bei's side.
  • I figured.
  • I'll go with Liu Bei,
  • People often call you "ChimShuMan".
  • You're Shu fanboy, aren't you?
  • What do you mean Shu fanboy?
  • Weren't you "ChimShuMan"?
  • Shu Han
  • Shu has legitimacy, so I just like Liu Bei.
  • We never say "Wei Han"
  • We say "Gen T Wi(Wei) Han"
  • There's no "Wei Han"
  • - Shu Han has legitimacy. - Of course,
  • Mr. Luo Guanzhong wrote like that.
  • Yes
  • He wrote the book that makes you think like that if you read it.
  • - Anyway, I.. - I'll choose Cao Cao then.
  • OK, you chose Cao Cao.
  • There are people who don't know who is Liu Bei, and who is Cao Cao,
  • so there will be a brief introduction before we start.
  • First, I will introduce about Liu Bei.
  • This is Liu Bei.
  • This picture sums up everything.
  • To see the smile on people's faces of all around the world was the dream of Liu Bei.
  • What kind of angle is this?
  • - Opened up wide.. - Is he lying on the bathroom floor?
  • Opened up wide, looking down
  • Liu Bei's magnificent.. huge..
  • Magnificent lower part?
  • Magnificent dream, and ideas.
  • OK..
  • He's looking at the Ideal.
  • Shocked Guan Yu next to him adds some bit of humor.
  • This is what Liu Bei is like.
  • His life was about virtue, humanity, and justice.
  • It's human oriented management.
  • So you can take all the benefits when you're working for him.
  • OK
  • That's the whole point.
  • And that was my introduction for Liu Bei.
  • It's a bit weird..
  • Please introduce Cao Cao
  • Kia~
  • This man..
  • Cao Cao Mengde,
  • Last chancellor of Later Han,
  • and Taizu of Wei.
  • Look at that swag.
  • Right now he's reviewing the papers to be signed.
  • zzz OK..
  • He looks cool
  • Yes, yes.
  • Sir Cao Cao is the man,
  • when the time Later Han was fading,
  • who conquered all the other lords with exceptional talent,
  • and unified most parts of China.
  • If it were today,
  • he would be the head of super huge transnational corporation,
  • like Google, Shaomi, or Amazon.
  • In this period, he would be like Jack Ma.
  • - Jack Ma of the era, you say? - That's correct.
  • I understood.
  • That was the introduction.
  • Why is Cao Cao a better boss? Let's hear some explanations about this.
  • Should I begin first?
  • Yes.
  • Ok, then show us visual material no.1
  • I'll show you material no.1
  • Look,
  • Overall stat is the highest among all the other Three Kingdoms Characters.
  • Ahhh
  • And compared to Liu Bei,
  • Liu Bei's is quite high too, you know?
  • Considerably high,
  • OK
  • but Cao Cao is the highest.
  • OK
  • This data is confirmed by Koei
  • Ahhh
  • A lot BGM for your current stream is also Koei's,
  • for example Uncharted Waters and such.
  • Yes
  • Ergo, denying the data of Koei is the matter
  • that can even lead to shutdown of Chimchakman channel.
  • Yes
  • Anyway, because of this objective data of overall stat,
  • he can be the best CEO,
  • and he can be the best boss.
  • He is fully capable of all this.
  • Is that the end of your bullshit?
  • Carry on.
  • zzzzzzzzzzz
  • Bullshit???
  • Carry on.
  • That's it for now.
  • Capality
  • Capability for now
  • Okay, here comes objection.
  • Of course, Cao Cao has overall 449 points,
  • and Liu Bei has 399 points.
  • I admit it.
  • However, in the game,
  • there's only leadership, war, politics, intelligence, and charisma.
  • It doesn't have personality stat.
  • If the game had personality stat,
  • Cao Cao's overall stat would be lower than Liu Bei's.
  • Why?
  • I'll explain more about this personality problem later on.
  • You should understand right away,
  • with that slapping on your bald forehead and saying,
  • "Aha! Cao Cao's personality stat should be 0"
  • - Therefore.. - I get the point.
  • Therefore,
  • if Liu Bei gets 100 personality stat,
  • and Cao Cao gets 0,
  • Cao Cao's overall stat should be 449,
  • Liu Bei's overall stat should be 499.
  • Led by 50 points, Liu Bei wins.
  • You're saying that we should add the personality data?
  • Yes.
  • - And also, - Wouldn't that be considered in Charisma?
  • There's a little difference.
  • Charisma is about cheerfulness.
  • Personality is about one's human nature.
  • And just look at the portrait.
  • Look at Liu Bei's face.
  • It feels so calm, you want to get close to him.
  • Cao Cao,
  • Would you want go get close to him?
  • See that look on his face.
  • You go near the boss like him just to get scolded for no reason.
  • Ok..
  • Slap your forehead slightly.
  • If you admit this, slap your forehead.
  • [SLAP] I admit that.
  • You admitted some of it.
  • You mentioned personality.
  • You're talking about Cao Cao's psypath behaviors, am I right?
  • Psypath? What's psypath?
  • I mean psychopath.
  • Aha. Okay, psychopath.
  • However,
  • there's a news about this research,
  • that successful CEOs tend to have sociopathic personality.
  • It's because most of them are achievement oriented
  • Chat talks about we..zzz
  • So you're saying he's a psychopath?
  • Webhard company CEO's story is keep coming up.
  • Yes.
  • That's just too much.
  • Revealed his features in the wrong way.
  • It's the worst case scenario that can happen.
  • OK
  • Its features do have some positive aspects,
  • like goal-oriented mindset,
  • to get closer to success.
  • Therefore, to have that kind of features for a leader
  • is not necessarily a bad thing.
  • That's what I think, but what personality are you talking about, for example?
  • I'll explain later on.
  • I prepared a lot of materials to preach.
  • Thing is, today's topic
  • is not about which life you want to live, Cao Cao or Liu Bei.
  • It's about who would you work for.
  • Because of the psychopathic features,
  • Cao Cao himself might success, but men working for him..
  • They might be in trouble.
  • How could they cope with a psychopath?
  • However, on the contrary,
  • Liu Bei's personality can be seen desperate sometimes.
  • Aha, desperate.
  • That can be really annoying too, you know?
  • Yes, it could be.
  • That's one way to think of it.
  • OK
  • But I would rather be with desperate person,
  • than be with a psychopath.
  • Okay, now..
  • However, zzz
  • Just slap it.
  • Well, in that case,
  • Chairman Liu Bei has similar features.
  • Is there?
  • Yes.
  • Explain it later with references.
  • Okay then, tell us why Liu Bei is a good boss.
  • I laid out my opinion with objective data, stats.
  • I'm not done with my counterstatement regarding your data.
  • Okay, please continue.
  • Please look closer at the stats.
  • Liu Bei leads 1 point in war stat.
  • Which means stronger.
  • And also leads in charisma by 3 points.
  • This shows that,
  • if things between Cao Cao and Liu Bei go wrong,
  • Liu Bei can beat the crap out of him.
  • In this modern society,
  • you lose when you beat someone up.
  • No, you can beat up when no one's watching.
  • In adult's fight, first one to lie down wins.
  • It should damage your authority.
  • Ergo, minor war stat means,
  • He won.
  • Then 1 stat is the best, you say?
  • War stat 1 should be better than anything?
  • 1 is too far
  • Anyway, I was saying that he could beat him up when things go wrong.
  • - And uh.. - Liu Bei's current stat is because of his twin swords.
  • Cao Cao's current stat is also because of his sword of heaven.
  • - And now, - I accept it.
  • Slap your forehead.
  • And for charisma, leads 3 points.
  • Higher charisma means what?
  • It means more friends.
  • It's called outgoing.
  • Do you want your boss to be a hikikomori?
  • Or would you want an outgoing one?
  • It's not like comparing 99 with, say 70.
  • There's no meaning in comparing 99 and 96.
  • Yes there is. He has 3 more friends.
  • He has 3 more friends.
  • - My point is.. - What if those 3 men were Jian Yong, Mi Zhu, Sun Qian?
  • Not only those 3, there's a lot more gifted talents.
  • Okay now..
  • I'll begin my opinion.
  • I do admit that Cao Cao is talented.
  • Overall stat was higher by 50 points.
  • Built the foundation of Wei.
  • Enthroned the emperor.
  • With that, he conquered most of the rich lands.
  • However, basically, Cao Cao is a selfish person.
  • Like you mentioned before, psychopath.
  • Numerous people who mingled with Cao Cao
  • got their head chopped off by Cao Cao himself.
  • On the other hand, Liu Bei is one
  • that can embrace his employees with humanity.
  • A great boss.
  • If I were to follow one out of these two,
  • I'd rather choose Liu Bei, than to choose Cao Cao
  • who might kill me sooner or later.
  • I have some reference for this.
  • There's this most known incident.
  • It's called Lü Boshe homicide case.
  • I think it's better for you to slap your forehead beforehand.
  • No, no. Please continue
  • In case who might not know about this case,
  • I'll give you the brief information.
  • Cao Cao tried to assassinate Dong Zhuo, but he failed.
  • So he had to run.
  • And so he became wanted man.
  • He was caught by Chen Gong, Zhongmu county magistrate.
  • However, Chen Gong thought of Cao Cao
  • as a righteous man, with bohemian spirit,
  • because of his attempted assassination.
  • And because of this misjudgment,
  • Chen Gong not only just released him, he also joined Cao Cao's journey.
  • And so began the life of fugitive.
  • Meanwhile,
  • there was a man named Lü Boshe,
  • a friend of Cao Cao's father.
  • Cao Cao visited him.
  • And Lü Boshe was like,
  • "Okay then I'll give you guys a shelter."
  • "Now you've come, I'll go out and get some drinks. Meanwhile, stay still."
  • And so Lü Boshe went out shopping.
  • Cao Cao and Chen Gong stayed hidden and waited,
  • until they heard noise.
  • "How are we gonna kill.. we should hold tight.."
  • They heard whispers like that.
  • So they believed that the they were being ambushed.
  • They got out and slaughtered every house servants.
  • However, it turns out,
  • that servants were trying
  • to kill a pig to serve Cao Cao and Chen Gong.
  • They killed the servants out of misunderstanding.
  • Okay, I get that.
  • Because it was honest mistake.
  • They were on the run,
  • and they were intimidated.
  • However, Cao Cao's action comes after this incident,
  • is ridiculously psychopathic.
  • When Lü Boshe came back,
  • Cao Cao got afraid that Lü Boshe might turn him in,
  • and killed Lü Boshe too.
  • After doing something human trash, or a fiend in human form might do,
  • Cao Cao remarks this famous line to Chen Gong who is already got sick of him
  • "I'd rather betray the world than allow the world to betray me."
  • What a pure psycho.
  • Betraying the world can be rephrased into,
  • "I'd rather betray employees than allow the employees to betray me."
  • If I was working for him, my head would be chopped of just like Lü Boshe.
  • "I'd rather betray bald head Joo ho-min, than allow the bald head Joo ho-min to betray me."
  • Implies same meaning, don't you think?
  • Slap your forehead.
  • However, if you look at the Wei's records,
  • Lü Boshe's son and servants
  • tried to rob Cao Cao.
  • There's a chance that it might have been self defense.
  • Never heard of it before.
  • There's a record
  • The fact is,
  • traveling with Chen Gong is from Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
  • However, it says on Records of the Three Kingdoms.
  • Slaughter of 8 family members of Lü Boshe
  • is recorded on history book.
  • Feeling thirsty?
  • Slap your forehead.
  • However, we're talking about who's better for boss at work.
  • Yes.
  • Back then he was, kind of jobless when he did that.
  • So?
  • Shall becoming CEO change one's personality?
  • Of course, people change.
  • Won't he be the kind
  • that easily stabs his men in the back, when cornered?
  • Back then he tried to assassinate Dong Zhuo.
  • Yes.
  • He tried to assassinate and failed.
  • - You already spoke yourself - His life
  • was at stake. And in those circumstances,
  • one's mind would be unstable, almost insane.
  • True.
  • He couldn't think normally.
  • Let's say he was feeble-minded.
  • Okay, feeble-minded.
  • - That's why.. - Are you justifying crimes under feeble-minded state?
  • No that's not what I meant.
  • Okay, why are you keep drinking water?
  • One more thing,
  • - Lü Boshe incident is.. - among the things you have said,
  • He couldn't resist a bit and tried to kill Dong Zhuo.
  • Cao Cao has this uncontrollable bloodthirst.
  • Dong Zhuo was different.
  • Do you know how nice Dong Zhou was to Cao Cao?
  • Yes he treated him well, but his tyranny went too far.
  • Yes.
  • It was for the great cause.
  • You're saying that he has some sick habit of
  • killing anyone that shows favor to him.
  • Just as what happened to Dong Zhuo, and Lü Boshe.
  • You do know how many lords gathered to eliminate Dong Zhuo, right?
  • Yes.
  • He tried to do something that no one ever could, all by himself alone.
  • All by him self alone
  • He should get some credit for that.
  • I understood.
  • I accept the fact that it was a righteous thing
  • to try to assassinate Dong Zhuo.
  • But was it also righteous to kill Lü Boshe?
  • Cao Cao behaved wrong with Lü Boshe case, honestly.
  • Wrong? Slap your forehead.
  • - Just slap it - You want me to slap my forehead?
  • Slap your forehead, and then continue.
  • [SLAP] Why did you do that..
  • However, Liu Bei's weird too.
  • What's weird?
  • Cao Cao performed his psychopathic behaviors actively.
  • On the other hand, Liu Bei's kinda tactless..
  • Heard of tactless psychopath?
  • What's tactless psychopath? Is that a slang?
  • Yes, I just made that up.
  • A slow-witted psychopath.
  • Aha, slow-witted psychopath.
  • For example,
  • Pang Tong gets killed,
  • at Fallen Phoenix Valley by arrows.
  • Yes.
  • Just before they went on war,
  • Pang Tong's horse was acting like it was untamed.
  • Liu Bei saw that and said,
  • "It seems our vice military adviser's horse so wild,
  • how about changing the horse with me?"
  • And then they actually trade their horses.
  • Yes.
  • And then he gets shot because of it.
  • - Yes. - Enemies shot him becuse they thought it was Liu Bei,
  • but it was actually Pang Tong, and he died there.
  • Try to think of it as it was present day.
  • It's like supervisor switching cars with his junior staff.
  • It should be like,
  • "Hey, your car engine doesn't sound right.
  • Let's switch."
  • "Hey, I always wanted to ride your car. Let's switch."
  • And then what happened?
  • - He died. - He died, yes.
  • I mean who switches cars anyway?
  • But that was requested by junior staff.
  • Pang Tong wanted to switch.
  • Wasn't it Liu Bei who suggested to switch?
  • - Pang Tong, - Liu Bei offered to switch.
  • It was a scene for Liu Bei to show his virtue.
  • Okay, here comes explanation.
  • Liu Bei was riding a white horse,
  • and noticed that Pang Tong's horse was weak. He said,
  • "Hey Pang Tong, let's switch."
  • Oh, you were right.
  • - Okay, wait a minute. - Whether junior staff has shitty car or not,
  • Give me a minute.
  • Type of person I hate the most:
  • A person that tries to lend a car,
  • tries to switch cars.
  • I really hate these type of people.
  • Wait a minute, I have to slap my forehead.
  • Go ahead.
  • I apologize.
  • This is what Liu Bei's like:
  • A person that causes harm without certain intention.
  • I get it.
  • That really pieces off people around, too, you know?
  • But you should know this.
  • I present the Sangokushi Sōsōden,
  • as a historical source.
  • In Sangokushi Sōsōden,
  • Pang Tong died
  • because of the scheme forged by Zhuge Liang the Archfiend.
  • Pang Tong's star was perishing,
  • but Zhuge Liang didn't help.
  • The act of switching horse, done by Liu Bei,
  • and of course, Liu Bei's not entirely innocent.
  • However, Zhuge Liang the Archfiend's sin is bigger.
  • You should know that.
  • Look, both of them are Liu Bei's employees, right?
  • Yes.
  • Company's atmosphere..
  • is just like that.
  • They're trying to win over one another.
  • Messed up, you say?
  • Yes, messed up.
  • Okay then,
  • I admit some part,
  • that it was not only because of Zhuge Liang the Archfiend, but also because of Liu Bei.
  • Yes.
  • A picture of Liu Bei's descendant has been found.
  • He looks just alike, doesn't he?
  • He really does look exactly like the portrait.
  • He's the 60th descendant, Liu Chang.
  • And Liu Bei must look like him, too.
  • Is that a family business? Making straw shoes and mat?
  • Yes.
  • Family business? For 60 generations?
  • zzz Yes..
  • Isn't that great,
  • to cherish the family business,
  • to know the value of priceless things.
  • A person that cares about family business,
  • which is perishing because of low income.
  • A person that believes there's more than just money.
  • That's what Mr. Liu Chang is like.
  • Liu Bei must have been similar kind.
  • And just look at him.
  • Just look at his face.
  • - Yes. - He look like a really good guy, doesn't he?
  • Yes, yes..
  • - He has really good impression. - But,
  • However, here's my counterargument.
  • Yes.
  • I admit that although Liu Bei began with nothing,
  • he managed to go all the way to the top in the end.
  • But,
  • that good-guy face is not always a good thing,
  • especially when that person is your supervisor.
  • People like him,
  • with giggly smiles on his face,
  • often want their company to be a family-like enterprise.
  • You're saying Mr. Liu Chang is like that?
  • I mean his face gives me that kind of impression.
  • I sincerely think that,
  • family-like company is a terrible thing.
  • Please show us material no.4
  • Okay.
  • This is the picture of Liu Bei's company executives.
  • Do you know what's really shocking?
  • - I have no idea. - All the executives are brothers.
  • It's not a family-like enterprise,
  • It's literally a family enterprise.
  • And all the executives have bad temper.
  • Executive director Guan Yu, is very arrogant.
  • Executive director Guan Yu, zzzzzz
  • And executive director Zhang Fei, beats up his staff.
  • And enforces people to drink.
  • He enforces drinks, yes. It's like..
  • Shunited arilines.
  • Right?
  • Okay.
  • Are you aware of another problem that company like this has?
  • I have no idea.
  • They go company hiking on weekends.
  • Okay.
  • Do you know why Liu Bei settled down at Shu province?
  • - zzz to climb up mountain. - There's a lot of mountains.
  • - To go hiking zzz - It really full of mountains.
  • Okay.
  • If you work at company like this, there's no weekends.
  • There's no free time.
  • You just have to go hiking.
  • Okay.
  • And company's process of decision making,
  • is far from democracy.
  • It just follows CEO's mood.
  • Battle of Xiaoting
  • Everyone else opposed to do it.
  • They just follow his mood.
  • You saw Mr. Liu Chang.
  • Faces like that can be really scary when they're serious.
  • With all that giggly smiles,
  • he looks so harmless.
  • But once people like him get stubborn and serious,
  • They can be really tenacious.
  • Right.
  • Therefore,
  • if it was me,
  • working for a boss like that would be the last thing to do.
  • Why is Zhuge Liang accounted as one of the brothers?
  • Zhuge Liang?
  • It's one of the problems Liu Bei has.
  • There's just too much discrimination, by person, and by capability.
  • He should do anything for talented people,
  • like three visits.
  • "I am like a fish that has found water."
  • Okay.
  • And he says things like that in front of everyone.
  • "Between me and Zhuge Liang, it's like fish and water."
  • Everyone else would be like,
  • "Then what about me?"
  • It makes other people jealous.
  • And in Pang Tong's case,
  • he had such high reputation. But when Liu Bei met him for the first time,
  • "You look ugly, so just be some county magistrate in the countryside."
  • Liu Bei is like this.
  • He discriminates people.
  • Okay.
  • I'm telling you,
  • talents like Zhuge Liang
  • is treated just like brothers.
  • However, if you're not good enough,
  • you are invisible to him.
  • In other words,
  • If you have capability, you should be treated fairly by it.
  • - It could be his strong point. - Yes, of course.
  • He never appoints incompetent person out of intimacy.
  • He is far from cronyism.
  • Even when it looks like cronyism,
  • that kind of personnel affair only occurs when appointed person is confirmed to be competent.
  • Can we at least agree on that?
  • Anyhow, executives are still brothers.
  • But yes, they are capable of many things.
  • And yet, there's even worse attribute Liu Bei has.
  • Okay, what's that?
  • This is a serious problem.
  • Please show us material no.3
  • Material no.3
  • He uses too much of his lineage.
  • Okay
  • How should I call it? Royal blood hawker?
  • Okay
  • People who hate Liu Bei sometimes call him big-eared one.
  • big-eared one.
  • Anyways, the Huangshu becomes almost official in the latter parts.
  • It means emperor's uncle.
  • Yes.
  • If you think of it as it happened these days,
  • it's something like this.
  • "If you look at the genealogy book,
  • I'm sort of uncle to the president."
  • and wins contracts with that.
  • Okay
  • And talks about it every time he has a chance.
  • Was it solely by his competence,
  • or was it by the result of
  • selling names, like emperor?
  • Okay.
  • This really bothers me.
  • And people like this often end up in jail.
  • Okay
  • Like that movie, Nameless Gangsters.
  • Not just the movie, it's in real life too.
  • There's so many corruption scandals involving the president's confidants.
  • Right.
  • So, company like this...
  • is just feels bad.
  • Okay, thank you for your opinion on that.
  • About this blood relative management,
  • many of the chat are mentioning Jian Sun Mi.
  • When they actually took over Yi province,
  • Mi Zhu was the one to take higher position of government than Guan Yu or Zhang Fei.
  • Well, Mi Zhu was with Liu Bei from the very beginning.
  • However, about what you just said,
  • I would like to refute with material no.5.
  • Now that you mentioned Jian Sun Mi,
  • Okay.
  • Didn't you draw this yourself?
  • I did.
  • I drew that.
  • "All the advisers I have left are Jian Sun Mi bros..."
  • Who made the word "Jian Sun Mi"?
  • I did.
  • Didn't you make that to make fun of them?
  • I did.
  • It says here, "Jian Sun Mi, with mediocre abilities."
  • Okay.
  • That's what drives people crazy at work.
  • Consider them as your supervisor.
  • Let's say that executives are Liu Guan Zhang,
  • Okay.
  • and supervisors are Jian Sun Mi.
  • Okay.
  • Supervisors that are mediocre with their work.
  • There's nothing to learn in this type of company.
  • Family-run, plus mediocre supervisor,
  • Okay.
  • makes me uncomfortable about this job.
  • I see.
  • First of all, just as I mentioned before,
  • Mi Zhu was the one to take higher position of government than Guan Yu or Zhang Fe,
  • when they actually took over Yi province.
  • From that,
  • That's the problem, although he's mediocre,
  • he gets a raise anyway, why? Because it's family business.
  • That's not true, he did lots of things.
  • Mi Zhu funded Liu Bei's war chest for most.
  • - That's why Mi Zhu got.. - We call them free rider.
  • No, I said Mi Zhu funded most of Liu Bei's war chest.
  • Anyways, the fact is, Liu Bei conducts thorough performance evaluation.
  • You're keep saying that they're mediocre.
  • However,
  • If Cao Cao is a huge company, Liu Bei is like a start-up venture.
  • Nobody wants to work at a venture company.
  • You have to make use of these mediocre people.
  • And you have to give Liu Bei a credit for achieving something great with this kind of human resources.
  • Well, it kinda feels like a child-headed household.
  • That's the kind of talent he actually got.
  • So he had to carry on with what he got.
  • And he's just saying things,
  • That statement came out during the 3 visits.
  • It was to butter Zhuge Liang up by lowering his own men.
  • In fact, Mi Zhu, Jian Yong, and Sun Qian actually did many things.
  • Please consider that.
  • And you mentioned about using lineage earlier.
  • It's rather better by blood, them alone, what did you say before, hiking?
  • - Hiking... - Liu Bei took over Yi province to go hiking.
  • That was my argument.
  • I admit the fact that hiking can be painful.
  • In fact, my wife went to job interview for bedding manufacturer,
  • and climbing mountain was part of it.
  • She tried to climb and gave up.
  • So I admit that not everyone likes to go hiking.
  • Hiking, is a good hobby.
  • But it can be a problem when you enforce it.
  • Because of hiking, however,
  • what happens to your body, while bitching about it?
  • You'll be healthy.
  • Nope, you'll swell your cartilage.
  • Come on, who gets swollen cartilage from hiking?
  • You're not 60, 70 or 80.
  • Anyways, while you feel uncomfortable, you strengthen your body.
  • - However, what about Cao Cao? - Average life span back then was around 40.
  • It sure can swell people's cartilage and get killed because of it.
  • If hiking swells your cartilage, then war field must have swollen it sooner.
  • Journey to refuge will make it swell already.
  • Climbing mountain won't do any harm.
  • That's my point of view.
  • Liu Bei's men could have suffered from emotional distress.
  • However, they strengthened their physical conditions during it.
  • And now let's look at Cao Cao's case.
  • This is what I'm talking about. This is material no.4.
  • This is Cao Cao throwing empty food box.
  • He's throwing empty food box.
  • The man who served Cao Cao for a long time,
  • Xun Yu, the one capable of assisting kings.
  • Cao Cao even said to Xun Yu, "Xun Yu, is my Zhang Zifang."
  • It mean Zhang Liang from the Former Han.
  • Like that,
  • he considered Xun Yu as his first and most adviser.
  • What happened to him, in the end?
  • He received empty food box from Cao Cao,
  • He received empty food box from Cao Cao,
  • and he killed himself.
  • Why?
  • Cao Cao wanted to have nine bestowments.
  • Nine bestowments are some kind of privilege.
  • Almost like emperor, yes.
  • It includes things like right to carry a sword in front of the emperor.
  • If you have that,
  • it means you have most of emperor's authority.
  • Correct.
  • But Xun Yu was the one to assist kings.
  • He followed Cao Cao in hope of saving Han dynasty,
  • so he opposed to that.
  • And just because of it,
  • Cao Cao drove him to death.
  • The man who served for a long time as one of the executives,
  • and one of the founding members.
  • However,
  • you have one misunderstanding.
  • Okay.
  • Please show us material no.10.
  • Okay, here's material no.10.
  • I think you have huge misunderstanding.
  • Okay.
  • This empty food box
  • is like a blank check.
  • It rather shows Cao Cao's warm heart.
  • While opposing about nine bestowments,
  • Xun Yu got sick,
  • and he was on sick leave.
  • Okay.
  • Sick people can't just eat anything.
  • - You have to eat hospital diet, - Right.
  • or liquid diet like soup or porridge.
  • Right.
  • You can't just give him any random food,
  • so Cao Cao's like, "I'll send you the empty food box,
  • so eat whatever you can and like with it."
  • "I'm worried about your health."
  • "So just like a blank check,
  • help your self with it till you're satisfied."
  • That's what Cao Cao meant.
  • But Xun Yu got it all wrong,
  • You're saying that it was sort of first buffet.
  • - Buffet... - That's right, Buffet.
  • A buffet plate should be empty.
  • - Cao Cao should be the inventor of buffet. - Yes. you can say that.
  • But Xun Yu misunderstood the whole thing?
  • Yes. You know that many of the idioms come from Three Kingdoms.
  • Okay.
  • Chicken rib, buffet, and so on.
  • Okay, I have counterargument for that matter.
  • Even if it really was a blank check,
  • Why did Xun Yu die?
  • Because of misunderstanding?
  • Is that what you mean?
  • Xun Yu didn't die out of misunderstanding.
  • Xun Yu actually felt, the cold stare of Cao Cao saying,
  • "I don't need you anymore."
  • Why?
  • A man who is competent like that,
  • A man who went straight up to number 2 of the group,
  • should've had some sense to figure that out.
  • In fact, I'll show you this material.
  • Do you know what this is?
  • What's this?
  • It's a Xun Yu pyramid company.
  • Xun Yu gathered almost everyone.
  • One after another. He's like a VVIP member.
  • He brought almost every personnel of Cao Cao's company.
  • Xun Yu was a social man that had a lot of friends.
  • But he doesn't have that little sense to figure that out?
  • He's a social man, but doesn't have the wit?
  • That doesn't make any sense.
  • Cao Cao killed Xun Yu with a gesture. It's like,
  • "Just die."
  • What this implies is not a blank check.
  • It's literally a empty food box saying,
  • "You're useless to me now."
  • Kill the dog after hunting is over.
  • And,
  • throwing away a VVIP member like Xun Yu means that,
  • Cao Cao must be the kind that only cares about himself and his career,
  • a psychopath.
  • Do you understand?
  • Social man that doesn't have this little wit?
  • Doesn't make any sense.
  • Okay.
  • But he brought too many.
  • He could've made his own faction,
  • It's like his making a private group.
  • You know, there was once Hanahoe, an unofficial private group of military officers.
  • Right.
  • You do know what they did.
  • An unauthorized private group,
  • can be really dangerous.
  • It could've been the countermeasure for that.
  • With that matter, now look.
  • He brought them all.
  • But who made the final decision?
  • The one who said yes was Cao Cao.
  • He should have selected properly.
  • Isn't that one of the qualifications for a leader?
  • - That's... - He made all the decisions and now you blame,
  • That's...
  • Yes.
  • Why are you keep drinking water?
  • I mean,
  • when you're high enough like Cao Cao,
  • you don't really make final calls.
  • Here's something similar.
  • It says a man named Yang Xiu also got killed by Cao Cao.
  • You do know about chicken rib incident, right?
  • I do.
  • During Hanzhong Campaign,
  • Xiahou Dun asked Cao Cao about the countersign for that day.
  • Cao Cao replied, "Hmm... Chicken rib..."
  • Okay
  • When Yang Xiu heard that, he prepared his troops for withdrawal.
  • Yes.
  • He figured, "This place is just like a chicken rib."
  • "There's not much meat to take,
  • but it feels like a waste to give it up at the same time"
  • However Cao Cao was like,
  • "Nope, you're wrong. Kill him."
  • Then Yang Xiu got killed.
  • Okay.
  • He is a psychopath.
  • Wrong.
  • You've been to military, haven't you?
  • Yes.
  • Have you ever seen a countersign,
  • determined by presidential level?
  • Xiahou Dun comes to Cao Cao,
  • and asks about a countersign?
  • To the commander-in-chief?
  • about that petty matter?
  • This is sort of,
  • made-up story.
  • All that petty decisions
  • are not actually made by Cao Cao.
  • Hence,
  • Xun Yu's private group can be a similar case.
  • Cao Cao was like, "Take care of it yourself."
  • And Xun Yu made his own private group.
  • Cao Cao felt something strange,
  • and sent him blank check.
  • Okay
  • And then he killed himself.
  • When Xun Yu actually started to follow Cao Cao,
  • remember I referred him as a founding member,
  • it was a start-up venture.
  • But he didn't know?
  • Back then, Cao Cao made all the decisions.
  • Cao Cao alone had to manage all the things.
  • If he didn't take part in it, he should be incompetent.
  • If he did take part, now he's just playing dumb.
  • When Xun Yu joined Cao Cao, his crew joined with him.
  • It means that many intellectuals joined Cao Cao.
  • This implies the historical meaning:
  • Intellects of the age has Joined Cao Cao's force.
  • It was Cao Cao himself who accepted them.
  • And now he kills Xun Yu, the man who actually lead the group?
  • I'm lost for words.
  • Okay, just think about this.
  • It started as a venture and became a huge enterprise.
  • CEO might want,
  • let's say he wanted to buy a Rolls-Royce.
  • But his men keep tells him to buy a Hyundai.
  • He might get frustrated, right?
  • Okay,
  • I admit that it can be frustrating.
  • Even after admitting all that you've said,
  • let's say that Xun Yu made his own private group.
  • But still, he accomplished so many things for Cao Cao.
  • Did Cao Cao have to do something like that?
  • If Cao Cao just,
  • told him to stop, he would've just stopped.
  • But he just had to send that empty food box that says,
  • "Maybe it's time for you to die."
  • He's just keep throwing hints like this.
  • He is a psychopath.
  • No, he sent that box out of concern.
  • And he's not really a psychopath.
  • I think Cao Cao is the one without discrimination.
  • Look,
  • like virtues that modern companies seek.
  • Okay.
  • Disabled people working just as good as the others.
  • Cao Cao appointed Xiahou Dun.
  • - Blood relative. Family run. - Xiahou Dun is disabled.
  • Okay.
  • And his grandfather was an eunuch.
  • This shows that he's an open-minded person.
  • And in-work benefits were just too good,
  • Okay.
  • Wei had.
  • Good for what exactly?
  • I found the picture of company trip.
  • Please show us material no.6.
  • While all the other companies,
  • go on a trip to some local countryside,
  • JoJo(Cao Cao)
  • went on bizzare zzz
  • JoJo(Cao Cao) went on bizzare adventure.
  • Please show us material no.7 right away.
  • JoJo's Bizzare Adventure.
  • Bizzare adventure, what an extraordinary company trip.
  • They had great in-work benefit.
  • And he also enjoyed playing games.
  • Certain gaming console was made to honor Cao Cao.
  • It's called Nintendo Wii(Wei).
  • Is there any Nintendo Shu?
  • There's no..zzz Nintendo Shu.
  • Is there Nintendo Wu?
  • No, there isn't.
  • He cared so much about the welfare of his employees.
  • And he was the man had sense of humor.
  • So I figure that there must be something beyond our knowledge about this Xun Yu incident.
  • Of course, there's Nintendo Wii(Wei),
  • but is there any CaoCaosoft?
  • We do have Ubi(Lui Bei)soft.
  • Cao Cao.
  • The name, trillion trillion(Cao Cao),
  • It's only 2 trillion.
  • Ubi(Lui Bei)soft holds 10 trillion market cap.
  • You heard of assassin's creed, haven't you?
  • Yes, I have.
  • That Ubi(Lui Bei)soft.
  • Watch Dogs franchise,
  • Far Cry franchise,
  • For Honor,
  • and Tom Clancy's The Division franchise.
  • Where did all this came from?
  • Ubisoft, a French video game company
  • Important thing is,
  • It's not a Chinasoft.
  • It's a Francesoft.
  • Is that so?
  • Why?
  • What this indicates is great respect.
  • Look,
  • there's are gaming terms like,
  • gosu, hasu, and chobo.
  • Are you aware that these terms are used worldwide?
  • Gosu, hasu, and chobo?
  • They're used in that exact form and meaning, in English.
  • - It's because of Starcraft. - Yes, yes, I know.
  • Likewise, Liu Bei carries a meaning of the topnotch.
  • That's why it's Ubi(Lui Bei)soft.
  • Cao Cao, who's just eager to chop off everybody's head.
  • No one uses that name.
  • Men are the future, Liu Bei.
  • Men are tools, Cao Cao.
  • That sums up my argument.
  • One more thing.
  • Okay, go on.
  • It's that you mentioned about Yang Xiu before.
  • About that chicken rib incident,
  • in fact, he didn't really die there.
  • It's a story made in the Romance.
  • He actually died back home.
  • But there's a reasonable suspicion,
  • that Cao Cao got disturbed and killed him because of it.
  • First of all,
  • if you look at the Romance,
  • Cao Cao killed Yang Xiu because he was packing up,
  • by the chicken rib assumption.
  • Correct.
  • It's a reasonable thing to kill him, why?
  • He packed even though there were no order to do so.
  • It's about military discipline.
  • That was really a wrong thing to do.
  • But you have to look carefully at what happens next.
  • Cao Cao killed him and then retreated.
  • He killed Yang Xiu,
  • and after that he retreated eventually.
  • He withdrew his army the next day.
  • He's just disturbed.
  • Okay.
  • Yang Xiu did something clearly wrong,
  • - but he shouldn't have retreated after that. - He deserved his death.
  • This is just a psychopath.
  • Please note that.
  • And also,
  • Liu Bei cared more for his men than his children.
  • You do know the incident of thrown Adou.
  • At the battle of Changban,
  • Zhao Yun carried Adou in his arms.
  • Zhao Yun broke through enemy lines,
  • and presented Adou, Liu Bei's son to Liu Bei.
  • Liu Bei threw Adou to the ground and said,
  • "Zhao Yun nearly got killed because of Adou."
  • What a story.
  • Isn't he a psychopath?
  • You can say that.
  • There's this killing of Liu Feng.
  • Liu Bei killed his own foster son Liu Feng.
  • So Liu Bei might be harsh on his children,
  • but he did care so much about his men.
  • What about Cao Cao?
  • When he got ambushed by Zhang Xiu,
  • He carjacked Cao Ang's horse to survive.
  • He survived by carjacking his first son's horse.
  • Not only his own son, but also caused Dian Wei's death.
  • Liu Bei might have been harsh to his children,
  • but he did care for his men.
  • What was Cao Cao like?
  • He was careless for both his children and men.
  • Complete psychopath,
  • that cares no one but himself.
  • Soccer ball, and man head collector
  • Okay.
  • I admit all that.
  • However,
  • I'm gonna have to put an end to all this.
  • Please show us material no.9.
  • Material no.9.
  • What you see here is,
  • the sphere of influence of the Three Kingdoms age.
  • Blue indicates the territory of Cao Cao.
  • That 4 green dots are the territories of Liu Bei.
  • Okay.
  • Let's assume that this is a market share.
  • Okay.
  • I'm gonna ask you straightforward.
  • Go ahead.
  • Which company would you join, Wei or Shu?
  • Shu.
  • Uhh... Shu? Why?
  • You might die like Yang Xiu.
  • Like Xun Yu, Yang Xiu, and Lü Boshe,
  • you might die just like them.
  • No, you're just thinking too much of...
  • Just like Dian Wei, and Cao Ang.
  • thinking too much of yourself.
  • What do you mean?
  • If you don't get cocky, unlike Yang Xiu,
  • and just work hard on whatever that's given to you,
  • with salary,
  • I would rather put it this way,
  • The job that kills you when you get cocky.
  • I'm not gonna take it.
  • Don't you think you can be that cocky?
  • I think it's okay to be that cocky.
  • He was way too cocky.
  • - He was? - Yes, he was.
  • How could he just pack up.
  • Xun Yu didn't really got that cocky I think.
  • Did Lü Boshe got cocky?
  • Cao Ang was his own son and he carjacked him to die.
  • One more thing.
  • When ambushed by Zhang Xiu,
  • here's the real dirty part,
  • it happened because Cao Cao was hitting on Lady Zou,
  • Zhang Xiu's aunt.
  • That's why all that happened.
  • That woman,
  • could be your wife.
  • Mr. Chimchakman,
  • please let me start my last ditch effort.
  • Let me finish first.
  • There's an expression came from it.
  • What?
  • It's a swear word.
  • This is just to show an example, so please understand.
  • There's an expressions like "What a cunt."
  • It originates from "What a Cao."
  • "What a Cao Cao."
  • Cao Cao got short and became cunt.
  • He had this infamous personality disorder.
  • You should admit that he's a psychopath.
  • "He must be a psychopath."
  • "What a Cao."
  • Begin your last ditch effort.
  • Okay, show us material no.8.
  • Actor who played Liu Bei in Three Kindoms (TV series),
  • played Cao Cao in The Advisors Alliance.
  • Okay.
  • What's the meaning of this?
  • It means Liu Bei actually wants to be like Cao Cao.
  • So you're saying,
  • I think you're trying to tell us that,
  • if Liu Bei is a Pikachu,
  • later on, he will evolve into Cao Cao, a Raichu.
  • No, I'm saying
  • they're actually same person,
  • with split personality.
  • How about making up like that?
  • What, why are you trying to make up, all of a sudden?
  • Why are you trying to make peace?
  • Let's be friends.
  • Let's be friends zzz
  • Cao Cao was actually Liu Bei,
  • Isn't it better to live as oneself than as some wannabe?
  • Wouldn't it be better to join Cao Cao's firm, than to join Cao Cao wannabe's firm?
  • Okay.
  • So can we call this,
  • Why don't we call this draw?
  • So you're saying Liu Bei is a bootleg product,
  • and Cao Cao is a genuine product.
  • Please use genuine products.
  • Okay.
  • I get your point.
  • There's this four-character idiom,
  • *Yu-Bi(Lui Bei)-Mu-Hwan *Forewarned, forearmed
  • With Liu Bei, there's nothing to worry about.
  • It means Liu Bei will take care of everything.
  • There's also this four-character idiom.
  • *Jo(Cao)-Jo(Cao)-Hal-In *Early morning discount.
  • - Cao Cao will cut the price. - Meaning?
  • Cao Cao makes better price?
  • "It's on me you just enjoy."
  • Now that's mistaken.
  • You know that meaning of words change through time.
  • It often carries very different meaning from the past.
  • Like the word "Gay"
  • It originally meant delighted.
  • Correct, there are other examples.
  • Certain word's meaning often changes.
  • Jo-Jo-Hal-In is the same.
  • Now we use it as "Cao Cao gives a treat."
  • Back then,
  • Jo-Jo, What's Hal?
  • It's from *Hal-Pun-Li *1/10, 1/100, 1/1000
  • It means 1 out of 10
  • In means human, right?
  • It means he killed 1/10 (of people)
  • Hal can be *hara-kiri too, *self-disembowelment
  • It could mean decapitating people.
  • It could be.
  • One every ten men under Cao Cao will die sooner or later.
  • And who would that be?
  • Lü Boshe, Xun Yu,
  • Yang Xiu, Cao Ang, Dian Wei
  • and so on.
  • - Later on, it's meaning changed, however, - Mr. Chimchakman,
  • Yes.
  • I drank all my water.
  • I'll give you time to fetch new one.
  • - And there's another thing. - No, that's not what I meant.
  • Okay.
  • Please continue.
  • While Cao Cao has this infamous four-character idiom,
  • Liu Bei has this word,
  • Ubi(Lui Bei)quitous.
  • On the other hand, Liu Bei,
  • took great care for his men.
  • He was far from stagnant, and had adventurous mind.
  • Because of that, he never hesitated to accept advanced culture.
  • He also cared about his men so much,
  • he shared funny videos with his sworn brother Guan Yu.
  • With this advanced tech he accepted earlier.
  • If it was Cao Cao, he must have enjoyed it himself.
  • If someone watched it even by mistake,
  • he would have killed that person, like he did to Xun Yu.
  • Isn't that a video of slapping one's face?
  • No, it's just something he recorded.
  • They're watching Cao Cao's getting ass-kicked in Hanzhong Campaign which they recorded.
  • "Look at this Cao Cao running away."
  • I...
  • would like to submit myself.
  • Mr. Chimchakman.
  • - You submit? - Three Kingdoms...
  • is not my league.
  • I still have so much more.
  • I'm sorry.
  • I just can't keep up with you,
  • in this special field of yours.
  • Anyways, remaining materials,
  • after this debate of course,
  • will all be informed to Mr. JooHomin personally.
  • I'm gonna bail out
  • just like Liu Bei leaping across the Tan Stream
  • I understand.
  • Slap your forehead.
  • Okay.
  • And so,
  • Could I just present one last material?
  • You have unusually prepared so much today.
  • In fact there were Xu Province massacre,
  • and quartermaster homicide case.
  • Put all that aside,
  • Okay.
  • I would like to finish after one last statement.
  • You mentioned earlier about
  • Liu Bei using royal blood for his own benefit.
  • That is true.
  • In fact he was the descendant of Liu Sheng, Prince of Zhongshan.
  • And Liu Sheng had more than 100 children.
  • What does this mean?
  • Virility king!
  • Confidence king!
  • I'll show you some materials.
  • Look at all this.
  • Correlation between sexual relations and confidence.
  • Man who lacked in confidence uses virility ring...
  • Foods that enhance men's confidence, virility...
  • In Jungnang District,
  • For those who lack in confidence, virility device...
  • Anyang,
  • Geoje, Gimhae, Namyangju, Guro District.
  • It's everywhere.
  • And Cao Cao is?
  • Son of an eunuch.
  • How could he have confidence?
  • That turned into his inferiority complex,
  • and that might be the reason,
  • why Cao Cao became a cold-blooded killing machine.
  • That's my opinion.
  • So as the material I showed you earlier,
  • Look at that confidence.
  • Just look at it.
  • Look at Mr. Liu Chang's confidence,
  • bursting out of his face.
  • This is the confidence of the 60th descendant of Liu Bei,
  • confidence of Mr. Liu Chang.
  • Okay.
  • Descendant of Liu Sheng,
  • Descendant of virility king.
  • Virility is confidence.
  • Kegel exercise.
  • You're unbelievable.
  • I didn't expect you to prepare this much.
  • I do have some more,
  • but since you submitted, that's it for today.
  • Let's wrap it up.
  • We have a conclusion for today's debate.
  • For boss at work,
  • Liu Bei is better.
  • [Today's winner, Liu Bei.]
  • Liu Bei is the better boss.
  • Let's wrap up with the topic of the next debate.
  • Who would you want to your life to be, Chimchakman or Joohomin?
  • - This is, - This is tricky.
  • I'm with 'live as Joohomin', of course.
  • And Mr. Joo Pearl takes 'live as Chimchakman.'
  • We'll discuss about the reasons to live as each other.
  • And try to persuade each other logically.
  • Okay.
  • So the next Chim vs Pearl...
  • You can feel that,
  • this debate thing has come nearly to its end.
  • I'm leaving for Blizzcon tomorrow,
  • so next debate will be at
  • Chimchakman twitch channel, Wednesday, November 7th, 7:00 p.m.
  • Pleas show us a lot of support.
  • - We'll say, - Travel safe.
  • goodbye from now.
  • - Follow me if you want to. - Bring us souvenirs when you comeback.
  • Follow me if you want to.
  • Nope.
  • Mr. Gateball, follow me if you want to.
  • We'll say goodbye then.
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